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RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - misterG - 24-06-2016 21:37
Well I think it's the right result, if not a good one.
I would have preferred, and expected, a higher majority to vote Leave but don't think it's any accident that the only regions in England that showed a majority in favour of Stay are the big conurbations where there are large immigrant populations (and thats not a comment pro or anti immigration, just an observation and statement of fact).
I'm surprised at the disparity of feeling across the age ranges - young In, old Out sort of thing - but I guess thats primarily because we have several generations that were born in Europe and don't know anything else.
I wonder how different the Leave majority would have been if the criteria to vote was to have contributed to the country by paying tax for at least 5 years or to have been born in the UK?
I think the scare tactics and of both campaigns did no-one any favours and just muddied the waters and was horribly devisive over what has always been a single issue vote - Sovereignty. Everything else follows from that.
I hope and expect that the disillusioned young will come to accept and be grateful that their more experienced elders made this choice now, while we had the chance, and divorced us from the corrupt imperialism of an undemocratic and non-representative European Federal Government.
I also thinks its a shame that todays rhetoric across Europe about reform, fairness and transparency didn't take place before the vote. Maybe our legacy to the EU will be that they will improve it for its remaining members? However, I think it more likely disillusionment will spread.
The challenge lies ahead, but at least we have control of our own destiny.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - barracuda - 24-06-2016 21:39
Since the referendum result was announced the number of Google search queries regarding the EU made from the UK has soared by 5000%.
According to Google these are the top questions asked from the UK since the result became known.
![[Image: image-34B7_576DA6D0.jpg]](https://www.tvgirlsgallery.co.uk/image-34B7_576DA6D0.jpg)
There's also been a big spike in searches today for "getting an Irish passport".
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - tjl007 - 24-06-2016 21:40
I did hear some say they voted leave to get rid of Cameron because he is a rich elitist toff and wanted Boris and next Tory leader - he is part of the elitist establishment.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - misterG - 24-06-2016 21:46
(24-06-2016 21:40 )tjl007 Wrote: I did hear some say they voted leave to get rid of Cameron because he is a rich elitist toff and wanted Boris and next Tory leader - he is part of the elitist establishment.
Cameron and Johnson are two sides of the same coin. We could do a lot worse than legislate to prevent anyone who went to Eton holding any sort of political power.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - misterG - 24-06-2016 21:47
(24-06-2016 21:39 )barracuda Wrote: Since the referendum result was announced the number of Google search queries regarding the EU made from the UK has soared by 5000%.
According to Google these are the top questions asked from the UK since the result became known.
There's also been a big spike in searches today for "getting an Irish passport".
strange... I would have thought it prudent to know those things before the vote...
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - wackawoo - 24-06-2016 21:51
(24-06-2016 21:47 )misterG Wrote: strange... I would have thought it prudent to know those things before the vote...
Could it possibly be none EU members wondering what the fuss is all about?
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - marxian - 24-06-2016 21:55
As a working class northerner, I would like to congratulate my peers on handing the Thatcherite wingnuts in the Tory party a huge stick to beat us with. Well done, my friends. Well done.
The proles have been baffled by bullshit, yet again.
*golf clap*
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - lancealot790 - 24-06-2016 21:58
Good analysis misterG but there is absolutely no chance of the eu making any meaningful reforms, in fact in the wake of brexit there are already calls for even closer union and the transfer of more powers to Brussels. 28 obstinate fools controlling the lives and destinies of 500 million people, making decisions without the slightest thought about the impact they will have on the lives of ordinary citizens. Like our own westminster elite they live in their own little bubble believing they know best and the little people lack the sophistication and understanding to see the big picture of the multicultural, socialist utopia they are trying to create.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - barracuda - 24-06-2016 22:17
(24-06-2016 21:51 )wackawoo Wrote: Could it possibly be none EU members wondering what the fuss is all about?
No, as clearly stated it refers to searches made from the UK.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - straw man - 24-06-2016 22:21
I think the people who keep repeating the 'EU is undemocratic' myth have taken a tactic from Joseph Goebbels.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
He also said:
"The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."