(07-03-2016 05:05 )ShandyHand Wrote:  ^ Why are you so intent on pointing out that people that disagree with you are being "rather silly"? I'd rather let readers judge for themselves who qualifies for that title on this thread.

Quote: is anything but a loafer and I musn't say you lack empathy in any way!

Quote:I remember the 70's I was 12 at there close, I remember the stuggle my mum had, I remember how much better things got thoughout the 80's and have stayed that way. People today typing on computers saying how terrible it has got really do not know what poor means. It's not not having the latest iphone, or driving down to the local food hand out becasue it's better than paying for them. it's having to eat baby food to feed themselves like my mum had to because what money she did get went first on us. So you really have no need to talk to me about the poor of today.

(07-03-2016 19:03 )ShandyHand Wrote:  The whole implication of this paragraph is that the kids of today don't have it tough 'like in my day'. That having to go to food banks is some kind of lifestyle choice! That 'everyone' has an iphone so they can't in anyway be having it tough. You imply that no one has the same problem that your mom had feeding her family unless they neglectfully put other things ahead of this priority.

We are of comparable age btw just to be clear.

Quote:Sadly the are plenty of parents will buy themselves a packet of fags rather than new clothes for the children? If they cant afford both and want/need the fags/booze/betting/drugs then dont have the kids!

(07-03-2016 18:26 )Clit Eastwood Wrote:  I'd rather be out. Dictated to by Brussels and forced to pay out billions of taxpayers money for what ?... To house and shelter more freeloaders who know how to rape the system ?
Enuff is enuff... we are an island which should be self sufficient instead of our government making shit decisions to sell off our precious resources for a quick buck (backhanders) for ministers ...argghhhhhh

(07-03-2016 19:39 )wackawoo Wrote:  ...I have watched documenteries and watched news items about the poor. In most cases (I assume deliberately so) the camera tends to sweep to the LCD tv, the children on their phones and ipads and parents smoking. I also stated 'it is not about having the latest iphone' I didn't say they had them but poverty means not having food to eat or clothes on your back, not luxury items. Before you start, I never classed us as in poverty, we wasn't, but it was more of a stuggle then as now. The typing on the computers meant the likes of you, not the poor.

I would like to see your evidance of this poverty you speak off, other than one lousey graph that stated it was all relative with absolutely no facts and figures on it.

Unless there is some form of neglect, abuse or uncaring home life then, 'Children do not have it as tough these days 'as in mine' (something also i never stated). I never stated I had it tough, I said it was tough for mum. I have provided you with what a couple with two children get to live on via benefits, being well over £500 per calander month, ALL people with children not working are entitled to it. It's one of the major attractions for imigrants who probably have known REAL poverty.

Are you an american? Because nobody of 'comparable age' with me would ever use the word 'Mom' or spell it that way. young people do to try and appear trendy.

Also why does this cause you no concern?

Quote:Sadly the are plenty of parents will buy themselves a packet of fags rather than new clothes for the children? If they cant afford both and want/need the fags/booze/betting/drugs then dont have the kids!

Why then do you feign out rage when I put something similar but not has strong?

To repeat, where is the cut and paste of my calling these people loafers?

You know what, this is like the forum of old, where someone like you steadfastly refuses to get the thread back on track despite others trying to. Resorting to manipulations and out right lies to create and continue negativity. I have tried numerous times to move on past this and and get the thread back on the Europe track. It's now clear you have ulterior motives, may be you did all along, or are to stupid to understand what is being said to you.

My patience now in trying to explain to you what you are not understanding and has been spent.

Quote:Alan Milburn, chair of the government’s child poverty commission, reacts to figures showing the number of children in relative poverty was 2.3m in 2014

Quote:“Two in three children in poverty have at least one parent in work.

Quote:The current definition of child poverty is that a child lives in a household with an income less than 60% of the national average, meaning the number can go down when average incomes are lower in a recession..... as was the average household income after housing costs at £386 per week.

Quote:Immigrants have cost the taxpayer more than £22 million a day since the mid-1990s, totting up a bill of more than £140 billion, according to a new report.

Quote:When we do that, we see that between 1995-2011, on average each EEA immigrant put about £6,000 more into the public purse than they took out.

Non-EEA immigrants each took out about £21,000 more than they put in during that period.

Quote:The evidence suggests that the fiscal impact of migration in the UK is small (less than +/-1% of GDP) and differs by migrant group

Quote:Mind you, the UK economy is growing, may be all those imigrants are contributing after all.