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RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - SYBORG666 - 04-04-2011 16:07
(04-04-2011 09:54 )arron88 Wrote:(04-04-2011 06:02 )Tepid water Wrote: I just can't understand why free to air stuff like this can't be pin protected and then full frontal nudity can be shown and for extended periods.
As far as I know there would be no difference in standard if they paid £30,000 for a pin option on Sky.
On Sky, you can put on pin protection yourself or even remove the adult channels all together from your set top box and Sky even have a channel that shows you how to put on pin protection. So, basically it should come down to the responsibility of the parents at home to ensure that children aren't watching things that they shouldn't and it's clear by looking at all the examples in this thread that full-frontal nudity is allowed on tv but Ofcom continue to be unfairly strict towards the babechannels.
RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - StanTheMan - 04-04-2011 18:25
(04-04-2011 06:02 )Tepid water Wrote: All the points people have made are true and valid.
However, after 11 there are totally naked women covered in oil with only there hand covering their hairy axe wound.... You wouldn't find this on any other channel for any prolonged period and I suspect that eventually ofcom will clamp down.
I doubt it. It was stated in the outlining of their new rules that this was acceptable.
I'm going to email Louis Theroux and suggest he does one of his documentaries on the babeshows. No, seriously, I am.
Hold on, now that I've said that it's just occurred to me that he already has done this, hasn't he? Or am I thinking of something else? Maybe I dreamt it, but I'm sure there was a little segment covering these shows, on one of his sex-themed docs.
RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - Digital Dave - 04-04-2011 19:47
(04-04-2011 18:25 )StanTheMan Wrote: I'm going to email Louis Theroux and suggest he does one of his documentaries on the babeshows. No, seriously, I am.
Hold on, now that I've said that it's just occurred to me that he already has done this, hasn't he? Or am I thinking of something else? Maybe I dreamt it, but I'm sure there was a little segment covering these shows, on one of his sex-themed docs.
I haven't heard of a Louis Theroux doc on the babe shows but there was a very entertaining one made around 2005 which featured babe shows and one of the more extreme religious channels (Revelation TV).
I've been looking for it ever since as a download but never found it. It featured TVX and a new startup called Girl Fever which lasted just a few weeks. The dickhead running it hadn't a clue and to make matters worse his studio got burgled. He then revealed that he had no insurance cover!
I think the doc was on BBC3 if anyone's ever heard of it. It was certainly in a Louis Theroux style.
RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - mrmann - 04-04-2011 19:55
(04-04-2011 06:02 )Tepid water Wrote: All the points people have made are true and valid.
However, after 11 there are totally naked women covered in oil with only there hand covering their hairy axe wound.... You wouldn't find this on any other channel for any prolonged period and I suspect that eventually ofcom will clamp down.
The hand thong IS allowed, yet most of the channels seem to have stopped this, at least for the most part, and especially Elite. Also, it's called a VAGINA, not axe wound, and it's a normal body part and not worse than a penis. I see lots of uncensored penises on channel 121 with Sexarama, Sexcetera, Eurotrash etc, so why can't a vagina be seen on the adult channels, after the watershed? It's a bit hypocritical and demeaning to allow the male organ to be show uncensored, but not a female organ to be shown on adult channels, and it tells us that ofcon find women's bodies to be offensive. Quite sexist really.
RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - eccles - 04-04-2011 22:41
In theory PIN protection would prevent some grounds for complaint. Children and adults of a senstive nature would not be able to accidentially tune into sexual material and horny teens would not be able to deliberately tune in.
Sadly Ofcom does not use a level playing field. If one ground for complaint is blocked it will find another. Apparently the evening version of Bridezillas uses the F word about 93 times in just one show and C 3 times. Babe channels are not allowed to say F even once ... because they are sexual? WFT!
Ofcom would just move the goalposts and say just because one adult in a home has made a deliberate decision to remove PIN protection, that does not automatically make it OK for other adults and kids.
No, Ofcom say under no circumstances must any adult ever see sexual material on TV. (Unless artistically justified). But its ok to see eyeballs being pierced by 20 acupuncture needles (Audition), foreigners and minor cast members being mutilated by bombs (any action film you care to name), corpses being cut open (Waking The Dead), men being urinated on in public (Spartacus) and Steven Segals "acting".
RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - mrmann - 04-04-2011 22:50
(04-04-2011 22:41 )eccles Wrote: In theory PIN protection would prevent some grounds for complaint. Children and adults of a senstive nature would not be able to accidentially tune into sexual material and horny teens would not be able to deliberately tune in.
Sadly Ofcom does not use a level playing field. If one ground for complaint is blocked it will find another. Apparently the evening version of Bridezillas uses the F word about 93 times in just one show and C 3 times. Babe channels are not allowed to say F even once ... because they are sexual? WFT!
Ofcom would just move the goalposts and say just because one adult in a home has made a deliberate decision to remove PIN protection, that does not automatically make it OK for other adults and kids.
No, Ofcom say under no circumstances must any adult ever see sexual material on TV. (Unless artistically justified). But its ok to see eyeballs being pierced by 20 acupuncture needles (Audition), foreigners and minor cast members being mutilated by bombs (any action film you care to name), corpses being cut open (Waking The Dead), men being urinated on in public (Spartacus) and Steven Segals "acting".
True, but people can already block the babe channels, so even if they went to encryption, I still think ofcon would have issues with it.
RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - Krill Liberator - 04-04-2011 23:08
(04-04-2011 19:47 )Digital Dave Wrote:Now that's interesting; a documentary on babeshows - what a weird one that'll be; "So OFCOM, you allowed babeshow footage on a 'mainstream' *sniggers* - no, no, we can be grown-up and sensible here; Beeb Three's *snigger* valid...*Guffaw!* ahem! Mainstream tv channel, and that's okay because of context? Explain!"(04-04-2011 18:25 )StanTheMan Wrote: I'm going to email Louis Theroux and suggest he does one of his documentaries on the babeshows. No, seriously, I am.
Hold on, now that I've said that it's just occurred to me that he already has done this, hasn't he? Or am I thinking of something else? Maybe I dreamt it, but I'm sure there was a little segment covering these shows, on one of his sex-themed docs.
I haven't heard of a Louis Theroux doc on the babe shows but there was a very entertaining one made around 2005 which featured babe shows and one of the more extreme religious channels (Revelation TV).
I've been looking for it ever since as a download but never found it. It featured TVX and a new startup called Girl Fever which lasted just a few weeks. The dickhead running it hadn't a clue and to make matters worse his studio got burgled. He then revealed that he had no insurance cover!
I think the doc was on BBC3 if anyone's ever heard of it. It was certainly in a Louis Theroux style.
"Well, that's because we were simply taking a look at what goes on in these depraved, filthy, dirty, dirty little advertorial promos and we were satisfied that such a documentary neither glamourises, promotes nor condones such productions, nor was the documentary intended to titillate the viewer. After all, I think we can all agree that the typical BBC3 viewer is neither young nor impressionable enough to miss the message and simply start being dirty! to such imagery in the privacy of his unkempt bedroom while mum and dad are occupied elsewhere. Eh? Yeees, indeed."
"So, in other words OFCOM, you're essentially saying that the real thing is unacceptable, but a documentary covering and indeed showing something deemed taboo is totally acceptable, since it's informative, enlightening and not-in-the-least entertaining?"
"Yeeeees."
"So, If i comission a range of rolling documentaries 'exposing' what happens on these disreputable shows, you'd be perfectly happy for me to screen them on my channel?"
"Ummmm..."
"Uh-uh-uh! You've tacitly said it - you can't tacitly take it back!"
"But-"
The way of the future. The way of the future. The way of the future...
RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - StanTheMan - 04-04-2011 23:52
(04-04-2011 19:47 )Digital Dave Wrote: I haven't heard of a Louis Theroux doc on the babe shows but there was a very entertaining one made around 2005 which featured babe shows and one of the more extreme religious channels (Revelation TV).
I've been looking for it ever since as a download but never found it. It featured TVX and a new startup called Girl Fever which lasted just a few weeks. The dickhead running it hadn't a clue and to make matters worse his studio got burgled. He then revealed that he had no insurance cover!
I think the doc was on BBC3 if anyone's ever heard of it. It was certainly in a Louis Theroux style.
I think that was it, Dave! I remember the plonker getting his studios burgled and not having insurence or something. I also remember something about the 'Ofcom-safe' knicker check that the girls had to go through each night. Was this the same show?
Anyway, if this was on BBC3 then it definatley wasn't Louis. I haven't emailed him the idea, by the way, cos there's not a single place on the whole www that has a contact for him.
RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - eccles - 05-04-2011 00:45
Think I saw the show too, but cant believe it was as far back as 2005. It featured a total plonker without a clue setting up a one man band channel. It seemed to operate out of one tiny room that would have been rejected as too pokey and too down market for a bedsit. What I do remember is absolutely no name recognition of the man, the channel or the babes. Not sure if the channel set up was about the same time as the broadcast or going back a year or so.
It wouldnt have been Luois Theroux because if I feel the urge to spend time in the company of nerdy twats I go to work.
RE: Mainstream TV nudity vs babeshow nudity - eccles - 05-04-2011 00:47
(04-04-2011 22:50 )mrmann Wrote: True, but people can already block the babe channels, so even if they went to encryption, I still think ofcon would have issues with it.
At the risk of seeming to contradict myself, Ofcoms argument is that encryption is optional at the moment, and is not set in many homes.
Having said that if it was mandatory they would find something else.