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RE: London Tower Block Fire - bigguy01 - 26-06-2017 19:48
on bbc's daily politics show today someone was explain the tests carried by the request of the government more thorough than the ones carried out for the building regulations, under the building regs the materials used in the cladding were acceptable but under the tests done on the behalf of the government the same materials are not acceptable.
The manufacturer of the insulation will no longer make it.
London fire brigade have said that they have enough staff and resources to carry out their duties. people saying that they didn't and had to have crews from outside London coming in don't understand that there is a procedure in place known has cascading where by if there is major incident in one of the area which consumes the police or fire service in that area, the surrounding areas are on stand by, then the call goes out to bring in surrounding services to cover, this goes on and on so that there is no area left unprotected. the last step is call in the armed forces.
the chalcots estate in Camden was built under labour council and labour government using the same cladding.
Corbyn and McDonnell like to politicalise tragedies like this and the recent terrorist attacks.
RE: London Tower Block Fire - ShandyHand - 26-06-2017 21:01
^ And some people are apologists for governmental inaction and failings due to their political proclivities. Yes, some of the blame lies with local councils but are you really trying to make out that the current government can wash their hands of all culpability in this. The "oh it's a tragedy" platitudes and "it was the building's design" just don't cut it.
I agree that the murdered phrase is hyperbolic but if you actually read the rest of what McDonald said he stated that the national issues on this go back "decades" (i.e. to when labour were in power). It's institutionslised neglect from all sides. Can we stop this 'they're are the most to blame' bollocks and look at ALL the causes even handedly.
RE: London Tower Block Fire - bigguy01 - 26-06-2017 22:11
corbyn and McDonnell believe that blair and brown like most centre left or moderate labour mps are thatchers children.
I am not saying the current government are not washing their hands of it. I was saying that there are several investigations going on and one of them has highlighted the unusual design of the columns in the tower which created a chimney effect for the fire to spread quickly. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/grenfell-tower-block-design-caused-fire-unusual-investigation-reports-combustible-cladding-unsafe-a7806951.html
RE: London Tower Block Fire - Charlemagne - 26-06-2017 22:20
Everyone's blaming previous governments. Why are we not pointing at the guys who put the building regs together.
Every man and his dog knows that these tower blocks need two staircases, a sprinkler system, adequate fire doors and a building made of none flamable materials.
RE: London Tower Block Fire - Censorship :-( - 26-06-2017 23:35
How 1999 Scottish tower block fire led to regulation change
RE: London Tower Block Fire - HannahsPet - 27-06-2017 07:25
Blimey seems the camden towers there were a 1000 fire doors missing that is 200 a building how the fuck do you miss 200 doors in a 24 storey building
RE: London Tower Block Fire - gunnar - 30-06-2017 10:14
Approved Grenfell cladding changed to a cheaper version to save money.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/30/grenfell-cladding-was-changed-to-cheaper-version-reports-say
Prepare for the shit to hit the fan.
RE: London Tower Block Fire - andyjb - 27-01-2020 15:57
Grenfell Tower fire: Inquiry told firms 'deny responsibility'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51256738
RE: London Tower Block Fire - andyjb - 09-09-2020 17:48
Grenfell Fire: Cladding firm 'confused' by safety rules
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54088821
RE: London Tower Block Fire - M-L-L - 11-09-2020 23:08
There is a multitude of standards, none of which equate precisely to each other, and because to prescribe one particular standard over another would rule out using particular products and thereby prejudice various manufacturers or countries they are manufactured in; this then gives rise to multiple "approved" standards and schemes, and telling whether these do or not comply with Building Regulations becomes a research project in its own right that would baffle a PhD student.
And to individually test these products in massive furnaces to see if they do in fact perform as they should do costs vasts amounts of money, and only proves that one particular combination of products passes - any slight variation requires another test. So there is huge pressure on the testing companies not to "fail" the products they test, and an industry was then created to "desktop theorise" that an assembly of similar, but slightly different, variation of the products tested will still meet the test, even if they haven't actually been tested in that combination.
The upshot of all which then becomes - nobody will insure any of these products, and the only safe thing to do is use brick or stone or some traditional material that doesn't burn. And doesn't provide anything like the level of thermal insulation that modern Building Regulations require, so leading to an increase in thickness and an increase in weight and increase in structural loading. Which is of course not usually possible or economic when refurbishing existing high rise buildings.