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RE: Ofcom Discussion - eccles - 05-09-2012 21:21
(05-09-2012 21:07 )HoneyRocks Wrote: Regardless of Babestations Dutch licence, we heard at work that OFCOM had passed comments that the actual licence for the Freeview Multiplex Babestation is on IS a UK licence and with that ultimately the buck still might stop with OFCOM as if Babestation cannot be found in contempt cos of their Dutch licence, the Multiplex holder with their UK licence might instead be found responsible for rebroadcasting a channel with content outside of UK OFCOM rules so it is possible the UK regulators could yet win despite babestations Dutch licence?
Thats an interesting point. You say the channel on the multiplex is registered using the UK licence. Didnt realise it was that specific. Does that mean Ofcom are still actively pursuing the case? And is there anything to prevent Babestation from transferring the slot to their Dutch licence to prevent future problems?
This is one of the few cases where it is documented that the complaint came from a business with a business objective, rather than an outraged member of the public. In a sane and rational world the authorities would say OK, taken this to the first level and lost, the complainant motives are grubby, there is no public interest in wasting public resources on pursuing this to the bitter end.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - Scottishbloke - 05-09-2012 21:26
Well ever since Nicam told ofcom to sling their hook, Cellcast have been more or less left alone, hassle free, the only reason I suspect they don't broadcast harder shows is probably because it would then render their Xtreme show pointless.
On the subject of other channels obtaining a Dutch Licence they would have to move their base to the Neitherlands. This could prove to be quite costly so the only way for change has to come from a challenge, our time will come that's I'm sure of. As I've said before how can the vagina be deemed offensive but the breasts are ok.
Ofcom allways use the line we are protecting the kids bullshit. That's why we have the watershed. I don't recall the ITC having made any fuss whatsoever about this type of entertainment. This nanny state was started by the previous government and carried on by the current one.
One ray of hope is for Scotland to gain independence which could ultimately crumble ofcom.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - HoneyRocks - 05-09-2012 21:34
The licence for the owner of the Freeview TV batch of channels Babestation operates on IS an OFCOM licence for definate. I believe the only non UK licenced TV channel on Freeview IS Babestation and it is a strange anomaly how this has been allowed to happen & continue.
All actual Multiplex licences for the full multiplexes are with ofcom and no one else!
As I've said before, the Durch would not be allow any similar thing to happen with a UK licence on their own equivalent of terrestrial Freeview outside of rebroadcasting the BBC!
A few years back when Radio Caroline were on the Dutch cable systems, this was with a Dutch license held by the company that now operates Dutch radio stations Radio Seagull 1602 and Radio Waddenze and had to strictly adhere to strict Dutch radio laws as well as UK OFCOM rules also having to carry some Dutch originated output too separate of the UK based Caroline output.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - HoneyRocks - 05-09-2012 21:46
Babestations Dutch licence or Nicam are irrelevant if OFCOM decide instead to hold the UK licenced multiplex holder responsible instead.
Yes a Dutch licence can only be held by a Dutch registered owned and based company. The BBC only exempt of this.
I'm not sure an independent Scotland would be the answer. There have been rumblings Alec Salmond & the SNP might be looking for even stricter rules including those governing the BBC or even breaking away from the BBC completely though I doubt a breakaway from the BBC would happen due to high costs of financing any equivalent Scottish separate TV & radio network and making any equivalent service operate as a part commercial funded service like RTE in Eire or Manx Radio would badly hit existing Scotch commercial broadcasters badly.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - mr mystery - 05-09-2012 22:22
The facts are according to Ofcom themselves that they do not regulate the BS channels with a Dutch licence, they do not deal with the complaints, they pass them on to the Dutch regulator , Ofcom cannot dish out fines or give out in breach rulings etc to the BS Dutch channels , Ofcom themselves have said they are powerless to prevent the BS channels from broadcasting on freeview at a time when Ofcom do not allow phone in babe channels that they class as adult teleshopping services to transmit (before 12am) , BS broadcasting what Ofcom describe as adult teleshopping services before 12am is what led them to complain to the Dutch regulator , this complaint has got them nowhere , the proof of the pudding is in the eating , BS has been defying Ofcom for around 2 years now and is still transmitting at a time when adult teleshopping channels are not allowed to transmit on freeview , if Ofcom had any powers to prevent BS broadcasting before 12am they would have used them by now and wouldn't have gone and complained to NICAM and got told by them to fuck off
In fact i would wager my house on BS/Cellcast continuing to defy Ofcom and carry on broadcasting their channels on freeview before 12am for the foreseeable future .
{edit} If Ofcom had some means of blocking the Dutch regulated channels from starting on freeview before 12am and haven't done so after 2 years then they are guilty of not using means at their disposal to prevent something from being shown that under Ofcom rules cannot be broadcast , however you look at it Ofcom are incompetent and are not fit for purpose .
RE: Ofcom Discussion - Digital Dave - 05-09-2012 22:58
Thank you mr mystery.
Perhaps this idea of Ofcom going after the holder of the multiplex that broadcasts the channels is a new thing that they've cooked up? There again I've no idea of the reliability of HoneyRocks' comments or sources. It sounds odd to me.
As you say, If Ofcom could have done something about it I'm sure they would have.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - fedup1 - 05-09-2012 23:16
(05-09-2012 00:11 )Scottishbloke Wrote: Getting back to Dave's point, although you do bring up some good points I think we all know the real reason's here. For example here in the UK we have the Sun newspaper which has published pictures of Page 3 girls since the 70's. It also went ahead and published the naked pictures of Prince Harry which just for the record I thought was bang out of order. One of the reasons why journalists have got the reputation of being referred to as scum.
Now a couple of years ago I visited prague on a stag outing and we did what all blokes do and this is to visit the various strip clubs. Just for the record the majority of people in the club were infact British so that kind of blows the Brits are prudish argument up in smoke.
I am of the opinion here that it is the politicians running this country that is the problem with censorship and has nothing really to do with society. Maria Miller has come in and replaced jeremy hunt and I will happily say good riddance to the cunt. Dodgy bastard who I wouldn't even trust in charge of a pie stall. We all know he had close ties to the ofcom whips so here's hoping that now he's out the door that our chances for change are increased.
Just got to say i choked on my cup of tea reading that bit on not trusting Jeremy rhyming slang in charge of a pie stall didnt half laugh. Thats how folk are reffering to him but cant swear by saying Jeremy rhyming slang ,twitter went mad when they put that comic faced idiot in charge of health my goodness what a bloody farce.
Dont know if already put this but Graham Howell is activelly blocking email accounts and found another great site ive been browsing with shheer brilliant content on vaginas been taboo,,ok it goes on for ages going back thru months but started reading it nodding my head at everything he says,,
http://masculistuk.blogspot.co.uk/search?updated-max=2012-06-27T12:06:00-07:00
RE: Ofcom Discussion - eccles - 06-09-2012 00:33
(05-09-2012 21:26 )Scottishbloke Wrote: Ofcom allways use the line we are protecting the kids bullshit. That's why we have the watershed. I don't recall the ITC having made any fuss whatsoever about this type of entertainment. This nanny state was started by the previous government and carried on by the current one.
One ray of hope is for Scotland to gain independence which could ultimately crumble ofcom.
Ofcom havent used the children argument for late night shows for a year or so. Daytime yes and shortly after 9pm (transition) yes, but not at 11pm.
These days they trot out the viewer offence/exceeding expectations bullshit.
This can be tackled. The argument is simply not sustainable if complaints have not come from ordinary members of the public, but from competitors, broadcasters whining about being allocated high Freeview channel numbers and antiporn campaigners who deliberately seek material that offends them.
Alternatively a broadcaster might take up Scottishguys suggestion and start broadcasting from Sealand.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - eccles - 06-09-2012 01:07
Not quite sure where to post this, but its Ofcom regulation related so here goes. Sky has won its appeal against competition rules that Ofcom applied. Ofcom wanted to force Sky to sell content from its sports channels at regulated prices to competitors including BT and Virgin. The Competition Appeals Tribunal (CAT) overturned quite a few points. The full ruling has not been released yet but it is a real slap in the face for Ofcom. Bad news is it took a giant like Sky to take them on and even then it took several years.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - Scottishbloke - 13-09-2012 15:45
I remember a long long time ago you just never know what to expect and that was one of the attactions of tuning into the babe channels. Back in the day you could have an absolute horror stinker of a show one night and the next night it would simply blow you away. Weekends you were allways guaranteed a good show.
Before ofcom came in and fucked it all up the channels were allways spontaneous. Some models would go further than others. One of the things I allways remember from the days of Babestar TV was Tammy Oldhams extremely hairy pussy, personally I prefer them shaved but I'm not going to be too picky when it comes to seeing it on a babeshow.
Poppy Morgan too was some performer, out with the dildos on Sexstation TV and that was FTA BTW. The summer of 2006 was when the shows were at their absolute peak. If what you were viewing on fta wasn't up to scratch you allways had the option of watching the Sportxxx live encrpted show for a mere £5.99 in which you were treated to a 3 hour anything goes show.
Right now we have no to little options, the babe shows appear to be dying on their arses. Night after night we are subjected to mediocrity. The channels these days are run by individuals who are shit scared of upsetting the censors. The rules and regulations will only remain for as long as the channels are willing to accept them. Change doesn't happen unless you make it happen.
No other channel on the SKY EPG outside of the adult channels would take what happened to Storm so easily and that's why ofcom never target them as much, if ITV recieved only 1 complaint do you think they'd take it lying down, no would they fuck. Ofcom are not as daft as we think they all are, they know what they are doing, they know that their bread and butter depends soley on attacking the smaller targets because they know they'll get absolutley no resistence from any of them.
We'll only get to see a return to the golden days if good men get up and fight, to do nothing and this prejudice will continue whether it's the Tories or the Labour Party in power.