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RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - Charlemagne - 20-06-2010 10:33
(20-06-2010 02:29 )eccles Wrote: Came to the conclusion that the part of the brain that tells us what time it is and what we should be doing is misssing from French DNA, but what do you expect from people who confuse the nearest wall with a lavatory.
I unbelievably saw an old Frenchman peeing on the outside wall of a toilet block on a campsite.
And on another occasion me and my partner had arranged a meeting with a French businessman. He drove past us to the top of the road, hopped out had a pee and then drove back to us.
My partner afterwards complained that she had to kiss him, to which I mentioned that she was lucky, I had to shake his hand
The French have a different view about nudity and toilet behaviour
RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - IanG - 20-06-2010 15:02
eccles, we were ruled by the Normas (from Normandy, France) from 1066 onwards. Many English words come from that period of our Norman herritage - LEGAL for instance, it has its roots in the word for Equality and is usually, in France at least, associated with the words for Brotherhood and Freedom.
Noble concepts don't you think?
I think you do don't you, Stan?Of course the French had to decapitate the rulling classes to get it (just about) but Napoleon B. had other ideas and wrecked the concept a bit. The people of France did sort him out in the end too though...and they left his head on his neck.
RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - Gaz "AV1" Aston - 20-06-2010 15:35
Hands up all those who have been checking channel 799 through out the day just to see if they can spot some daytime nudity.....
hahaha
RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - TheDarkKnight - 20-06-2010 15:57
I don't get TVMONDE as I watch sat. stuff through my PC and I haven't yet figured out how to quiz my old Sky box on what the frequency of a particular channel is.
I can't find a listing for TVMONDE on Astra2 (the Sky cluster) neither, the only (frequency) listings i've seen for them are on Hotbird, Astra1, Badr-4, Nilesat and Hisopasat.
Badr-4 and Hisposat are only 2 degrees away from the Astra2 cluster, so maybe it's that signal you're picking up...? Although, if that were the case, I'd be suprised that Sky would list them in the EPG.
*shrug*
RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - skateguy - 20-06-2010 16:07
(20-06-2010 15:57 )TheDarkKnight Wrote: I can't find a listing for TVMONDE on Astra2 (the Sky cluster) neither, the only (frequency) listings i've seen for them are on Hotbird, Astra1, Badr-4, Nilesat and Hisopasat.
This page suggests that you should be able to get TV5 Monde Europe on Astra 2a (Freq: 11914 Polorisation: H Symbol Rate 27500 2/3)
RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - Shady - 20-06-2010 16:10
(20-06-2010 10:12 )DanniPandemos Wrote:(20-06-2010 00:48 )Shady Cee Wrote: You are right of course, it is a double standard.
I don't see how. Unless Ofcom have started requiring pre-approval of all material before it's broadcast they're probably entirely unaware of it.
Ofcom clearly cannot vet everything that airs, which is why there is a watershed that UK TV companies adhere to firstly, then a limit to what is shown thereafter. Pre-approval isn't necessary, because regulations are in place and fines are imposed for breaches.
However, there is a double standard both in principal and in practice, if broadcasters outwith the UK can circumvent the rules by a simple matter of their geography. If we can only apply those regulations to some incoming broadcasts but not others, then why bother having any restrictions at all?
The ability to control what comes into our homes should be left in the hands of adult consumers, who are then in charge of responsible viewing within their own households.
RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - TheDarkKnight - 20-06-2010 16:24
(20-06-2010 16:07 )skateguy Wrote: This page suggests that you should be able to get TV5 Monde Europe on Astra 2a (Freq: 11914 Polorisation: H Symbol Rate 27500 2/3)
WooHoo \0/ Added to meh interweb favourites.
Cheers matey.
Still don't get the channel though. It's listed as 'TV5' and it's encrypted. *shrug* Thanks for the info all the same.
RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - DanniPandemos - 20-06-2010 16:30
(20-06-2010 16:10 )Shady Cee Wrote: However, there is a double standard both in principal and in practice, if broadcasters outwith the UK can circumvent the rules by a simple matter of their geography.
There would be a double-standard if Ofcom allowed daytime nudity from foreign-based channels, but they don't.
If they receive a complaint about this then TV5 Monde would be treated just the same as a UK-based channel.
RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - TheDarkKnight - 20-06-2010 16:41
(20-06-2010 16:10 )Shady Cee Wrote: Ofcom clearly cannot vet everything that airs, which is why there is a watershed that UK TV companies adhere to firstly, then a limit to what is shown thereafter. Pre-approval isn't necessary, because regulations are in place and fines are imposed for breaches.
However, there is a double standard both in principal and in practice, if broadcasters outwith the UK can circumvent the rules by a simple matter of their geography. If we can only apply those regulations to some incoming broadcasts but not others, then why bother having any restrictions at all?
The ability to control what comes into our homes should be left in the hands of adult consumers, who are then in charge of responsible viewing within their own households.
There shouldn't be any suprises down that road though, it's the same situation we already have had for years now.
UK broadcasters are not allowed to broadcast R18 content, neither are foreign broadcasters if their broadcasts can be picked up in the UK. They do though and the only reason they aren't being stopped is because they don't do it on the Sky platform. *shakes head*
The only possible reason they are allowed to do it that way is that this is the 'middle ground' that doesn't bring the two sides into conflict. The broadcasts aren't 'widely available' as they require what some might call 'specialist equipment' to pick them up (climbing on a ladder and pushing your sat. dish a little bit to the right) and they aren't available to your average Joe unless he specifically goes out of his way to get them.
If these broadcasts were 'harmful and offensive' as OfCom suggests, then surely it has a duty to protect the people who tune in to these channels? Isn't it totally failing the families of these people by not attacking these broadcasters through the courts?
Since they don't, we are left to assume that the satelite from which a broadcast is recieved somehow changes that broadcast into none offensive material regardless of what is actually being broadcast. Unless you can think of another reason which escapes me. Of course, that's totally illogical and just plain old wrong. OfCom's stance on these broadcasters is another example of their hypocracy in action. A rather blatent one at that.
It's yet another bullet that the appropriate companies could shoot through OfComs head but refuse to do so because fireing that shot would cost them cash in the short term.
bleh
RE: Daytime nudity - blatant double standards - TheDarkKnight - 20-06-2010 16:42
(20-06-2010 16:30 )DanniPandemos Wrote: There would be a double-standard if Ofcom allowed daytime nudity from foreign-based channels, but they don't.
They do, see above.