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RE: Berlin - wackawoo - 21-12-2016 20:41
(21-12-2016 15:52 )munch1917 Wrote: The definition of a 'genuine' asylum seeker is not someone 'fleeing for their lives' or 'would be killed' if they went back home. That's a very narrow definition that misses the very many modern day circumstances that lead people into refugee status, or seeking asylum.
I'm afraid it is.
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker
Quote:An asylum seeker is a person who was forced to flee from their country, due to democide genocide or mass murder. (endangered) and routed to nearby countries to seek refuge but, is not accepted yet as a refugee. Refugees and asylum seekers are different.
http://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/policy_research/the_truth_about_asylum/the_facts_about_asylum
[quote]“A person who owing to a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion, is outside the country of his nationality and is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to avail himself of the protection of that country; or who, not having a nationality and being outside the country of his former habitual residence as a result of such events, is unable or, owing to such fear, is unwilling to return to it.”[/qoute]
So if they are NOT fleeing for their lives or personal persecution (which normally means a fear of death) then they are not asylum seekers.
War zones is different again' children being sent form London in WW2 are not said to be fleeing persecution but going to more safe parts of the country.
Who's fleeing from REAL persecution in Syria, as opposed to fleeing a war zone cannot really be known. But if they are, you'd think the next place of safety were they can be looked after and feed would suffice untill the problems in their own land is sorted out and so they can return. This is not what is happeneing, as soon as Merkel had a bizzare open doors policy in they came and from thence to other places with a sole intention of finding a PERMINANT place to live else where.
I don't even know what the problem is, it's already be shown that people are getting into the west for alterior motives using aslyum seeking as a smoke screen.
You still need money for pay as you go as well, which is very expensive; you think money would be prioritized more wisely.
RE: Berlin - Tumble_Drier - 21-12-2016 21:08
Getting back to Berlin for a moment..
A Tunisian male is now the prime suspect after his ID was found in the truck. Germany has offered a €100,000 reward for information leading to his capture.
RE: Berlin - HannahsPet - 21-12-2016 22:08
Apparently he was rejected asylum and they were trying to Deport him but couldnt because he had no passport to get back into tunisia. they were waiting for the Tunisian Goverment to get the papers to the German goverment apparently arrived today after severel months delay
great piece on germanys privacy laws which hindered as well. Germans dont really like intrusion into private life mind you when you have had the Gestapo and then the stazi in eastern germany you might be a bit weary of the same level of survelliance we have in this country
RE: Berlin - lovebabes56 - 22-12-2016 06:58
I guess forums like this would most likely be unavailable in Germany - I may be wrong and if I am I apologies
The problem is now I guess is mate they are looking for a needle in haystack - I'm not having a go before you say anything but whether the paper reports of the nut who did it killed the original driver is true or not have they actually located the dead driver's corpse at all? It brings back memories of the lorry attack in France during the summer. I suppose the only good thing was that the lorry wasn't packed with high explosives otherwise the death toll could have been far worse
sympathies and thoughts to the friends and loved ones of those who died
RE: Berlin - The Silent Majority - 22-12-2016 08:12
(22-12-2016 06:58 )babelover48 Wrote: whether the paper reports of the nut who did it killed the original driver is true or not have they actually located the dead driver's corpse at all?
It was in the lorry. He'd been stabbed and shot.
Reports say it looked like he put up a fight, which may be why the attacker had to resort to a gun.
RE: Berlin - munch1917 - 22-12-2016 16:29
(22-12-2016 06:58 )babelover48 Wrote: I guess forums like this would most likely be unavailable in Germany - I may be wrong and if I am I apologies
Huh! This one will need some explaining
RE: Berlin - HannahsPet - 23-12-2016 12:17
The Suspect was shot dead in Milan.