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RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - ShandyHand - 16-10-2017 20:23
The bill just makes the commercial viability of an explicit free to air web show almost non-existent.
That is in fact the real point of this bill. It is outright censorship via the back door.
Democratic governments can no longer say they censor anything but the most vile content in this day and age. So they get round it by calling it after the fact regulation. In this case by requiring any explicit free website (no matter where they are based) to carry the cost of Adult Verification they effectively remove the UK from such a market. No free porn supplier is going to bother with or be able to carry such a cost for a relatively small market like the UK and so the regulator (thought to be the BBFC in this case) will have the right to fine or pressure your ISP or the credit card company of any transgressing site.
Adult Verification is only feasible for sites that can incorporate it into existing charges.
In fact as elgar says most will already be doing it via their credit card portals. (Beautifully this process requires nothing too costly from the government.)
Sharon White, head of Ofcom, in her recent (IIRC) RSB appearance was proudly reiterating how they are regulators not censors. They all do this. But I ask you, if their direct actions result in censorship how does the name on the tin make a happeth of difference? If you limit the distribution of certain types of content you're a censor.
RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - milfspotter - 18-10-2017 06:17
Do these new laws apply only to British-based web content? If not then I suppose LSL, H&W and Foxxx will be similarly affected.
How will this forum be affected? There are thousands of videos and images on here that would be deemed unacceptable for a free-to-view site.
RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - 301 - 18-10-2017 17:26
(18-10-2017 06:17 )milfspotter Wrote: Do these new laws apply only to British-based web content? If not then I suppose LSL, H&W and Foxxx will be similarly affected.
It applies to all sites. If they are based outside the UK and they dont comply with the regulator, the regulator will put pressure on ancillary service providers like payment providers and web hosts to stop working with them. If that does not succeed they will ask UK ISPs to block the site.
The regulator will go after the biggest sites first like tubes and chaturbate etc.
RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - ShandyHand - 22-10-2017 23:32
This article goes into the specific costs of one the cheaper non-credit card solutions to Age Verification: https://www.inverse.com/article/31314-pornhub-mindgeek-ageid-user-verification-system-myles-jackman-pandora-blake
The rep quoted is one of many no doubt that can't help rubbing their hands at all of this. His denials of the concerns at the end of the piece mean nothing when the crucial point is that any solution to this has to by definition store your i.p. address against your 'yes' to porn activity. He must know full well that this alone is the major secruity vulnerability.
RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - HannahsPet - 24-10-2017 05:21
(18-10-2017 06:17 )milfspotter Wrote: Do these new laws apply only to British-based web content? If not then I suppose LSL, H&W and Foxxx will be similarly affected.
How will this forum be affected? There are thousands of videos and images on here that would be deemed unacceptable for a free-to-view site.
im not sure as LSL and H&W are broadcasting outside of the UK and from what i can gather Rampant has a dutch address so maybe can get around it
RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - ShandyHand - 24-10-2017 14:05
The Digital Economy bill definitely gives the regulator the ability to go after ANY foreign porn site. The government is still playing its cards close to its chest on exactly how pervasive it wants to be in enforcing all this Age Verification though.
The bill was rushed through the parliamentary process somewhat by May calling the snap election and so even the Lords only managed to get a few details on how this is likely to be implemented. A government minister did concede that some sites that include porn but don't feature it as a main part of their service will probably be classed as "ancillary" site. This is highly likely to include all social media sites. (Details here: https://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2017/02/digital-economy-bill-we-wont-close-down-twitter-to-block-porn-uk-govt/) Clearly THAT is a battle the government simply don't want to have and know it would loose - so are chicken shit about it.
(They will merely "notify" the provider that people are using it to host porn! 
Like Twitter et al don't fucking KNOW already. 
)So when looking at foreign sites it seems almost inevitable that there'll be some room for manoeuvre at least for the initial months of operation. With so much apparently still to be firmed up, doesnt it seem that the regulator is likely to request compliance from the biggest tube sites etc first? (UPDATE: I see the BBFC confirmed as much at the end of last year - stating they will focus on a changing Top 50 sites.)
It's the usual bodge policy of a Canute government basically. They'll make it as cosmetic as they can without tackling anything too troublesome. With workarounds so easy for even the averagely knowledgable punter you have to say this is all a transparent exercise once again allowing those in power to SAY they have done something without it actually having achieved all that much by it. Except for screwing up a few freedoms along the way of course.
...It also gives the BBFC their reason for existence that they have been lobbying for since they lost the HC DVD war in 1998.
Another quango propped up for a few more years.
RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - 301 - 24-10-2017 17:15
(24-10-2017 05:21 )HannahsPet Wrote:(18-10-2017 06:17 )milfspotter Wrote: Do these new laws apply only to British-based web content? If not then I suppose LSL, H&W and Foxxx will be similarly affected.
How will this forum be affected? There are thousands of videos and images on here that would be deemed unacceptable for a free-to-view site.
im not sure as LSL and H&W are broadcasting outside of the UK and from what i can gather Rampant has a dutch address so maybe can get around it
The owner of Rampant TV is pro age verification as they have their own AV system that they want to sell to other sites http://www.itelebill.com/proveit/
RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - ShandyHand - 24-10-2017 18:13
^ This is the thing isn't it: The bill is quite a pro-big business one in that it monitises any third party applications for collating the data, pushes more business in the direction of the credit card companies and, most of all, favours the big porn sites who can easily afford to incorporate any costs involved - whilst the bill potentially eliminates a lot of the freebie competitors for them. These major providers until now have been hampered in their money making abilities; internet porn has been devalued in this country, as it has throughout the rest of the world, by its free availability... that's about to all change here! From April its commerciality in the UK (for the big boys) is going to get a huge shot in the arm. (Some punters will always be just too lazy to find out how easily the regs can be circumvented and will opt to give over their details to complying sites.)
The bill is only detrimental to ma and pa operations, rogue elements and niche providers. Pronhub and the rest of the biggies will be lapping it up.
This is why all this quango regulation thing is such a wiz generally; it makes money for the government in fines, it censors to an anti-liberterian agenda favoured by both left and right, and its boosts the commerciality of the biggest suppliers (see how the HC DVD companies in this country opposed any further deregulation of their market after 2000 as they prefered the market sex-shop only regulation).
RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - grantorino - 25-10-2017 05:41
Might be a real boost to the Babe channels when free porn is not allowed. But will the morans running the channels make the most of it and put on shows that attract viewers or still trying and push perve cam ?
RE: Internet Porn Site Regulation - babefan29 - 25-10-2017 13:14
milfspotter Wrote:
Do these new laws apply only to British-based web content? If not then I suppose LSL, H&W and Foxxx will be similarly affected.
How will this forum be affected? There are thousands of videos and images on here that would be deemed unacceptable for a free-to-view site.
From reading the reports this site will have to have age verification next year