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RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - HannahsPet - 02-01-2021 06:53 (01-01-2021 20:46 )hornball Wrote:(01-01-2021 11:37 )lovebabes56 Wrote: Put anything in the hands of Boris & Co, and it will become a cock up!!As unlikely as it sounds, you might be on to something! Perhaps the roll out should have been the responsibility of the NHS all along. And who is in control of the NHS whitehall ie the govt RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - hornball - 02-01-2021 09:52 (01-01-2021 21:39 )The Silent Majority Wrote:All decent points 'silent' I guess further analysis flags up different parameters. I still question how govt or their advisers can come up with a proposed timeline so far removed from the one initially advised by the very scientists who developed the vaccine, and know its characteristics. I hadn't heard that giving the doses closer together, as initially advised, would/could lead to more deaths?? I stand to be corrected!!(01-01-2021 20:36 )hornball Wrote: At what point is this govt going to be willing to listen to the scientific/medical experts (still a dirty word apparently post brexit) and simply do as they advise?? RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - SecretAgent - 02-01-2021 10:37 The maximum efficacy for each of the approved vaccines is achieved by following the manufacturers recommendations as those have been trialled but and its a big but recipients of the first dose of the vaccine do get a good level of protection before the second vaccine boosts the efficacy level. the point about spreading the doses out to save lives if therefore best shown by this example Assume a maximum number of 1 million doses. You could follow the 2nd dose after 3 weeks plan and therefore protect a maximum of 500,000 people. If however you only gave one dose at the outset you could give a high degree of protection to 1 million people. No person in the AZ trial who had a single dose became seriously ill with Covid. To me the question does remain however of how they will guarantee that people do get the 2nd dose because supply in short. I do see today though AZ are forecasting supplying 2 million doses a week by mid January RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - munch1917 - 02-01-2021 10:42 Yet more 'making it up as they go along' from our 'experts', they are now suggesting that not only is it permissible to give the two doses of vaccine up to 12 weeks apart (and actually suggests that longer than 12 weeks is OK), but that it is acceptable to mix the two currently approved vaccines, and give one dose of each. Bear in mind these are different vaccines, produced in different ways, using different components to produce the immunity to the virus, there is absolutely NO clinical evidence suggesting that mixing the two vaccines in this way produces the required immunity. Government document outling this procedure : https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/948757/Greenbook_chapter_14a_v4.pdf New York Times article on this : https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/01/health/coronavirus-vaccines-britain.html RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - Boomerangutangangbang - 02-01-2021 11:22 My concern as regards the vaccine, is that all this constant changing as to the best method to deliver the programme, with conflicting & confusing information could potentially have an effect on the number of people willing to get vaccinated. The lack of clarity can erode confidence. RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - winsaw - 02-01-2021 17:15 (02-01-2021 10:37 )SecretAgent Wrote: The maximum efficacy for each of the approved vaccines is achieved by following the manufacturers recommendations as those have been trialled but and its a big but recipients of the first dose of the vaccine do get a good level of protection before the second vaccine boosts the efficacy level. its a good point, both are about 75% effective after 1 dose , so both could save a lot of people after only one dose, as covid now seams out of control in the UK i think they have decided it best do cove as many people as fast as possible, i think this needs explaining better though so people dont worry about things so much, RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - Tumble_Drier - 02-01-2021 18:36 (02-01-2021 10:42 )munch1917 Wrote: Yet more 'making it up as they go along' from our 'experts', they are now suggesting that not only is it permissible to give the two doses of vaccine up to 12 weeks apart (and actually suggests that longer than 12 weeks is OK), but that it is acceptable to mix the two currently approved vaccines, and give one dose of each. As is often the case, a bit of reading disproves a mischevious media article... Quote:Previous incomplete vaccination RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - hornball - 02-01-2021 20:17 (02-01-2021 10:42 )munch1917 Wrote: Yet more 'making it up as they go along' from our 'experts', they are now suggesting that not only is it permissible to give the two doses of vaccine up to 12 weeks apart (and actually suggests that longer than 12 weeks is OK), but that it is acceptable to mix the two currently approved vaccines, and give one dose of each. Not an expert, but that seems like a serious risk to me?? RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - HannahsPet - 03-01-2021 08:12 They have now said should not mix I like JVT take on it this morning using the 2 grand parents analogy You want 2 with 89% or 1 with 100% and one with nothing its as simple as that in normal times this would be a non issue because would take years of studys and research and dosing but we dont have years prob dont have months RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - lovebabes56 - 03-01-2021 08:39 what i would like to see is studies showing effectiveness of the vaccines against new strains and whether the developers will be working to combat the new strains. How many more strains of this virus are likely to be around that the vaccines may not be effective against has to ber something in the back of our minds in the future. I am of the opinion that we will not see this virus suddenly disappear like SARS or bird flu did. I do think this virus is going to around for a lot longer than we probably first thought it will be, and while there is hope with the vaccines we are not out of the woods yet. we still have this strain that spreads much more quickly than it originally did, and I fear there are many more strains waiting to cause havoc in 2021 and we must not let our guard down for one second and hope research will be the new frontline in the future. |