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RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - admiral decker - 26-07-2016 00:38
(25-07-2016 15:19 )schvall Wrote: Brexit as described by the Brexiteers isn't going to happen - and the Leave voters aren't going to be happy.
The Daily Telegraph thinks that virtually nobody will end up happy.
Theresa May is preparing a Brexit fudge which will disappoint everyone
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/25/theresa-may-is-preparing-a-brexit-fudge-which-will-disappoint-ev/
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - wackawoo - 26-07-2016 00:46
(25-07-2016 23:51 )The Silent Majority Wrote: You couldn't counter 45% reduction in GDP with a bit of 'belt tightening', it would be Armageddon. End of.
Go and do some research, ffs.
Same old, same old.
I doubt that it would be any where near that, you seem to have taken 10th in the world as an absolute fact; nor would affordably putting up tax (if need be) be a bit of belt tightening, it would raise a lot of money indeed, that basic rate up to £32,000 is 20% £10, 000 of that tax free. from £31,000 right up to £150,000 is 40% with 45% over, if you can't see there could be wiggle room there that would put billions in the UK coffers then you can't, but then, you're the expert (no doubt there will be some crap abotu everybody having no jobs blah blah).
Here's the thing, however, I have attempted to introduce a little bit of rational objectivity into the thread and to look at it form both sides; a very difficult tedious task due to the extremist remainers on this thread and all the attacks recieved.
There is no point in DEBATING anything with you people,' it's bad, were all doomed - end off', there is absolutely no other way of looking at it. Any suggestion that there may be an alternative way of looking at things, that might actually be a little more optomistic, has just been met with hostility and personal insults and attempted ridicule.
This is compounded with cetain a heavily bias mod does not understanding it takes TWO to argue, or in this case several attacking the one.
Given the result of the referendum, I suspect theree are more that wish to leave the EU that have read this thread, but they clearly realise it is not worth the effort.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - Glenn Miller - 26-07-2016 00:49
(25-07-2016 19:54 )HannahsPet Wrote: Why save it interest rates already close to 0% will have to be reduced because of brexit we might have to pay banks to keep our money
I thought you were joking until I saw Tuesday's newspapers.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - wackawoo - 26-07-2016 00:53
(26-07-2016 00:38 )admiral decker Wrote: The Daily Telegraph thinks that virtually nobody will end up happy.
Theresa May is preparing a Brexit fudge which will disappoint everyone
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/25/theresa-may-is-preparing-a-brexit-fudge-which-will-disappoint-ev/
Are people that stupid? How the hell can you trigger article 50 yet? Unless there were plans in place for the UK leaving, which clearly there wasn't since nobody expected it, then even the most stupid should realse even the most initial plans will take a bit of time.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - HannahsPet - 26-07-2016 04:45
(26-07-2016 00:49 )Glenn Miller Wrote:(25-07-2016 19:54 )HannahsPet Wrote: Why save it interest rates already close to 0% will have to be reduced because of brexit we might have to pay banks to keep our money
I thought you were joking until I saw Tuesday's newspapers.
Natwest already threatening it
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/25/natwest-paves-way-for-introduction-of-negative-interest-rates
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - The Silent Majority - 26-07-2016 06:27
(26-07-2016 00:46 )wackawoo Wrote:(25-07-2016 23:51 )The Silent Majority Wrote: You couldn't counter 45% reduction in GDP with a bit of 'belt tightening', it would be Armageddon. End of.
Go and do some research, ffs.
I doubt that it would be any where near that,
The GDP of the UK is currently $2.83 trillion. The country currently in 10th is Canada, with a GDP of $1.55 trillion. Do the maths.
(26-07-2016 00:46 )wackawoo Wrote: you seem to have taken 10th in the world as an absolute fact;
It was you that raised the possibility of dropping to 10th in the world, nobody else, just you, and that it would somehow be ok.
(26-07-2016 00:46 )wackawoo Wrote: nor would affordably putting up tax (if need be) be a bit of belt tightening, it would raise a lot of money indeed, that basic rate up to £32,000 is 20% £10, 000 of that tax free. from £31,000 right up to £150,000 is 40% with 45% over, if you can't see there could be wiggle room there that would put billions in the UK coffers then you can't, but then, you're the expert
I'm no expert. I am, however, blessed with a modicum of common sense and the ability to use google. 45% of the UK GDP is about £1 trillion (that's trillion) and a fall of GDP, of that magnitude, would result in a catastrophic fall in taxes from all sources (income tax, NI, VAT, corporation tax, etc, etc)
(26-07-2016 00:46 )wackawoo Wrote: There is no point in DEBATING anything with you people,' it's bad, were all doomed - end off', there is absolutely no other way of looking at it. Any suggestion that there may be an alternative way of looking at things, that might actually be a little more optomistic, has just been met with hostility and personal insults and attempted ridicule.
You introduce a possibility which is ludicrous beyond belief, and then cry foul when someone challenges you on it.
(26-07-2016 00:46 )wackawoo Wrote: Same old, same old.
You got that right.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - wackawoo - 26-07-2016 16:03
(26-07-2016 06:27 )The Silent Majority Wrote: The GDP of the UK is currently $2.83 trillion. The country currently in 10th is Canada, with a GDP of $1.55 trillion. Do the maths.
As poor as Canada eh? golly gosh.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - wackawoo - 26-07-2016 16:16
(26-07-2016 06:27 )The Silent Majority Wrote: corporation tax, etc, etc)
You introduce a possibility which is ludicrous beyond belief, and then cry foul when someone challenges you on it.
Personally, i introduced nothing, merely related what millions, including those in government and parliament were saying as an alternative to the pvt Frazers on here, they being all entirely and totally are wrong, you and your like minded people entirely and totally correct.
And no, you inparticular was more interested in trying to show how stupid I am rather than answer any of the questions put.
Any how, I shall contribute no more to debates on here (the entire forum), whether it is this or doctor who. When there's people like you telling every body how stupidly wrong they are and how tremendously correct you are on all particulars debate is futile apparently there is no such thing as an alternative viewpoint..
It really must be good being you, ignoring the fact the sky hasn't fallen in the FTSE is at a level it was in sept 15
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-markets/stocks/indices/summary/summary-indices.html?index=UKX
The pound though taken a hit has stabalized for now and has not droped under £1.30 to the doller, not much less than the week following Brexit.
And the EU seems to be considering allowing the UK access to the single market without freedom of movement, somehitng apparently impossible a month ago, and no other British government could ever hope to achieve.
Adieu, adieu, adieu.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - HannahsPet - 26-07-2016 16:22
Hmmm Canada has about half the population of the UK to look after and lot more space and natural resources.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - The Silent Majority - 27-07-2016 04:50
(26-07-2016 16:03 )wackawoo Wrote:(26-07-2016 06:27 )The Silent Majority Wrote: The GDP of the UK is currently $2.83 trillion. The country currently in 10th is Canada, with a GDP of $1.55 trillion. Do the maths.
As poor as Canada eh? golly gosh.
Still not getting it, are you...
(26-07-2016 16:16 )wackawoo Wrote:(26-07-2016 06:27 )The Silent Majority Wrote: corporation tax, etc, etc)
You introduce a possibility which is ludicrous beyond belief, and then cry foul when someone challenges you on it.
Personally, i introduced nothing, merely related what millions, including those in government and parliament were saying as an alternative to the pvt Frazers on here, they being all entirely and totally are wrong, you and your like minded people entirely and totally correct.
Bullshit. Nobody, anywhere, thinks things will get so bad that the UK sinking anywhere near 10th in the world is a possibility.
You thought that one up all on your own.