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RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - Starblade - 11-02-2015 14:57
(11-02-2015 14:44 )Roger Patterson Wrote:(11-02-2015 14:39 )Starblade Wrote: it's only a matter of time before they get the other half of F1 off the BBC too.
Sky already televise every race of the F1 calendar.
Yes. What I meant was, we will end up with Sky continuing to cover all the F1 races, and the BBC none of them. This is after all, what Sky wants. I admit I could have worded it better.
RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - Goodfella3041 - 11-02-2015 19:00
I'm not fussed about the amount per se -- an asset is worth what the market is willing to pay for it, after all -- but I am irritated about the shortsighted way in which the Premier League arranged its affairs when it was first set up.
The money will come in to the Premier League and almost every penny will be redistributed to the Clubs with virtually no restrictions on how it is spent. So the Premier League -- as an organisation -- will pay lip service to grassroots football and investment in the game, but the reality is that most of the money goes in the front door and out the back.
Most of the clubs will then spend the majority of that money on players and agents. They don't invest in stadiums, they won't invest in grassroots, they give token amounts to their foundations and they won't reduce ticket prices.
To his credit, when he was in charge of Tottenham, Sugar predicted this and suggested that only half the TV income be given directly to the Clubs and half be kept as a centralized "war chest" to invest in infrastructure and the rest of the game. Otherwise, all they were going to do was set off a spiral of wage inflation -- which is exactly what they've done. Unfortunately, his proposal was only supported by a couple of other owners and it went down in flames, as the rest of the clubs voted to grab as much of the cash as quickly as possible.
RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - lovebabes56 - 11-02-2015 19:10
(11-02-2015 14:51 )circles_o_o_o Wrote: I wonder how much the BBC and Talksport pay to have the radio commentary rights, there's a bit more money to add to the pot.
Hadn't thought of that one!! good point!! Incidentally will MOTD be a shorter programme since some matches will be screened on Friday night? I'll miss watching CL matches on ITV mid week (If there are any to be screened) it's us free view viewers who have been stitched up the most when it comes to live sport.
All we are likely to end up left as 'live sport' with IMO are BDO darts and bowls once a year!! and Murray at Wimbledon.
RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - lovebabes56 - 11-02-2015 19:18
(11-02-2015 19:00 )Goodfella3041 Wrote: I'm not fussed about the amount per se -- an asset is worth what the market is willing to pay for it, after all -- but I am irritated about the shortsighted way in which the Premier League arranged its affairs when it was first set up.How I wish Sugar was appointed PL boss sometimes, he'd made sure grass roots didn't suffer better still, would he have beaten Blatter at FIFA?
The money will come in to the Premier League and almost every penny will be redistributed to the Clubs with virtually no restrictions on how it is spent. So the Premier League -- as an organisation -- will pay lip service to grassroots football and investment in the game, but the reality is that most of the money goes in the front door and out the back.
Most of the clubs will then spend the majority of that money on players and agents. They don't invest in stadiums, they won't invest in grassroots, they give token amounts to their foundations and they won't reduce ticket prices.
To his credit, when he was in charge of Tottenham, Sugar predicted this and suggested that only half the TV income be given directly to the Clubs and half be kept as a centralized "war chest" to invest in infrastructure and the rest of the game. Otherwise, all they were going to do was set off a spiral of wage inflation -- which is exactly what they've done. Unfortunately, his proposal was only supported by a couple of other owners and it went down in flames, as the rest of the clubs voted to grab as much of the cash as quickly as possible.
One thing I'd give him credit for too, is having the amazing foresight to see things as he felt would have happened - and look at what's happened!! I can see the PL sucking football dry and disappear up it's own arse if it carries on this path it on now. The re is going to come a point when the bubble will burst and the fall out will be immense, or put it another way, a total apocalyptic scenario.
RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - lovebabes56 - 11-02-2015 19:19
(11-02-2015 14:57 )Starblade Wrote:Bloody hell!! I wonder how much Bernie Ecclestone would make out of such a deal? Billions?(11-02-2015 14:44 )Roger Patterson Wrote:(11-02-2015 14:39 )Starblade Wrote: it's only a matter of time before they get the other half of F1 off the BBC too.
Sky already televise every race of the F1 calendar.
Yes. What I meant was, we will end up with Sky continuing to cover all the F1 races, and the BBC none of them. This is after all, what Sky wants. I admit I could have worded it better.
RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - Tumble_Drier - 11-02-2015 20:50
(11-02-2015 14:57 )Starblade Wrote: Yes. What I meant was, we will end up with Sky continuing to cover all the F1 races, and the BBC none of them. This is after all, what Sky wants. I admit I could have worded it better.
It was the BBC who went cap in hand to Sky to arrange a deal before approaching Ecclestone. The Poitically correct Brigade at the Beeb would love nothing more than to dump F1 completely and spend the cash on "minority" programming.
RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - HannahsPet - 11-02-2015 21:55
the BBC spent 220million on Just the Highlights and the shows they have now and a new mid week one
RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - lovebabes56 - 11-02-2015 22:35
I wonder how much they will allocate to F1 this coming season?
RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - lovebabes56 - 11-02-2015 22:38
But I do wonder if this deal could be the straw that breaks the camel's back. I wonder how many Premier League clubs will be prepared to give up a % to do as Sugar hinted and realise that if the game is to survive the infrastructure and grass roots parts of the game have to be looked after.
RE: Tv soccer rights for next Season - munch1917 - 12-02-2015 05:58
Whilst I understand and sympathise with the whole 'grass roots' argument, at the same time, every football club is an individual business and as such each club will protect it's own interests in the market place. I am struggling to think of any other industry where companies en masse voluntarily give up a percentage of their income to invest in, say colleges, or smaller companies, in order to produce the next generation of their workers. Sure some foresighted companies invest in an apprenticeship scheme, but then most football clubs have academies of some sort, which is kind of an equivalent, and is only really targetting the very best and brightest talent.
Football is really just a reflection of society as a whole. Our educational standards seem to be diminishing, despite many more young people attending universities. When I was younger, there were like two dozen or so universities, so getting a degree was a significant achievement, now we have run down old office buildings in the back end of town calling themselves departments of some university or other. A degree is no longer the achievement it was, and a degree in soap operas or somesuch is no use for a long term career. So the training for the next generation of our workforce has diminished, so what happens, we bus workers in from abroad to fill the shortfall, just as the premier league does with foreign players.
Like it or not, this is just capitalism at work, if you don't like it, don't expect the clubs to hand over millions of their revenue to help sunday league clubs survive, it ain't happening, best to start building the barricades and planning for the revolution!