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RE: General Election Vote - Scottishbloke - 09-05-2015 00:06
I think that the UKIP movement is dead in the water now, they are effectively finished in my opinion as a party. I actually think that they gained a lot of votes from former Labour supporters.
Once the Labour Party regroups under a more charismatic leader with a vision similar to Blair pre Iraq Invasion then I also feel they will rise from the ashes once again. Labour still have hope to convince people up here north of the border but the Tories have none.
I know that I'm an SNP supporter but I do have a lot of respect too for the Labour Party after them being pivotable in securing devolution for the Scottish people so because of that I'll always have a healthy respect for them. UKIP seized upon an opportunity because the Labour party were in disarray but in 5 years time I suspect when people mention the name Nigel Farage that they'll then ask the question who was he again.
I laughed my arse off when he lost his seat, normally I'd never cheer a Torie on but on this occasion I did. So glad that his constituency seen through his bullshit with his obvious bigoted and racist agenda. Good riddance to the lout
RE: General Election Vote - lancealot790 - 09-05-2015 00:12
I have absolutely no problem with people making money even bankers, they can only get away with screwing us over if the authorities allow them to do so and Labour were quite happy to let them do so while they were in power. Being on the side of the rich is one thing, being on their side while pretending your not is another. As for Farage i voted UKIP because they had the best manifesto of all the parties, no tax on the first £13,500 taking millions of people out of paying income tax altogether, giving the NHS £3billion pounds a year extra, a points based immigration system, stopping health tourism, rebuilding our armed forces, scrapping both the bedroom tax and the disgusting atos tests. Their manifesto was the only one of all parties that was fully costed and independently verified.
RE: General Election Vote - FormallyInfernal - 09-05-2015 00:13
Eck's already said that he won't be treading on Angus Robertson's toes - wonder how long that'll last!
All sorts of intriguing questions about how the fabulous/fearsome 56 will fair down there. The SNP whips have had it pretty easy of late so this will wake them up! The party leadership will coach the hell out of the new blood - telling them to keep their noses out of the trough and to watch out for tabloid stings in the years up until the inevitable referenda on the EU and Independence II - and will keep a close eye out for any of them who could be future stars, but will they tolerate independent thought? It's possible that the fifty-odd newbies will get on like a house on fire and be besties for ever - the history of left-leaning Scots at Westminster, though, could suggest we can look forward to some pretty poisonous infighting!
RE: General Election Vote - Whynot - 09-05-2015 00:20
As has been shown repeatedly UKIP is full of racists, homphobes and bigots. Last election it was BNP on the far right, this election UKIP next election it will be another party. Unfortunately there are a number of people stuck in the past who support these disgusting parties and buy the bullshit they sell.
RE: General Election Vote - Scottishbloke - 09-05-2015 00:20
Lance I hear what you're saying but Adolf Hitler and the Nazis also had a lot of good polices too when people were able to look past their obvious anti Semitic agenda, also even in the very unlikely event that UKIP ever did secure enough votes to form a Government the Queen can always refuse as its written in the constitution that it's her that affectively chooses the Government.
Also once again no invite for Farage from the Queen for the VE Celebrations. UKIP to me are the equivalent to what the Nazi Party were to the Germans and we as a nation would never be duped like they were you can be rest assured
RE: General Election Vote - lancealot790 - 09-05-2015 00:55
Most of my opinions are based on what i have experienced, in 2011 an acquaintance of mine opened a new factory to go along with two he already owned. All his new employees were from eastern europe, and being paid the minimum wage, he was also gradually replacing existing staff with more of them. As he so succinctly put it, only idiots pay more than they have to and along as there are people prepared to work for less why give them more. As a low paid worker i have resigned myself to the fact that i will never ever receive a pay rise except when the minimum wage goes up. I do not blame those people who have come here trying to improve their lives, if the positions were reversed i would probably do the same myself. But along as employers have access to an unlimited supply of cheap labour things are never going to improve.
My acquaintance is not alone in his opinions if the vast majority of employers had their way we would all be on the minimum wage.
RE: General Election Vote - wackawoo - 09-05-2015 01:04
Quote:I think that the UKIP movement is dead in the water now, they are effectively finished in my opinion as a party.
Didn't they get 4 milion of a 60 odd % turn out? that's actually a very good spring board, assuming of course that Ukip and SNP are not all protest votes and next time will be busniss as usual.
RE: General Election Vote - Scottishbloke - 09-05-2015 01:56
With regards to the UKIP policy on a points scored immigration law well in theory that's something I agree with. I don't think it's right that unskilled immigrants from Poland should be offered a job over somebody born and bred in the UK. Sure it's cheaper for the Company and the economy to hire someone for cheap labour but it hardly seems fair when you look at the rising unemployment in some areas as a result of this.
I do however agree with immigration if the case is justified such as fear of oppression or arrest simply for having different views to the county they live in so I have absolutely no problem in this scenario and neither do I also when it comes to skilled workers from overseas as we currently have a shortage in doctors as an example.
Also if somebody wishes to come to the UK in order to start up their own business then also fair play to them as it's good for the economy. UKIP may talk a good game and come across as reasonable on immigration but in practice if they ever got into Government we all know that this would never be a reality. I'm in favour of sensible immigration controls not ones that are based on the colour of their skin which UKIP would implement.
RE: General Election Vote - Lotuseater - 09-05-2015 06:44
(08-05-2015 13:57 )terence Wrote:(08-05-2015 13:52 )Count von Scharnhorst Wrote: You sound like a person quick to jump to prejudiced opinions and personal insults about others who don't share your views. You can't spell either.
i have to ask, where's the personal insults and what did he miss spell?
He's corrected it, edited and tidied it up from the original, barely literate mess.
RE: General Election Vote - HannahsPet - 09-05-2015 07:33
(09-05-2015 00:13 )FormallyInfernal Wrote: Eck's already said that he won't be treading on Angus Robertson's toes - wonder how long that'll last!
All sorts of intriguing questions about how the fabulous/fearsome 56 will fair down there. The SNP whips have had it pretty easy of late so this will wake them up! The party leadership will coach the hell out of the new blood - telling them to keep their noses out of the trough and to watch out for tabloid stings in the years up until the inevitable referenda on the EU and Independence II - and will keep a close eye out for any of them who could be future stars, but will they tolerate independent thought? It's possible that the fifty-odd newbies will get on like a house on fire and be besties for ever - the history of left-leaning Scots at Westminster, though, could suggest we can look forward to some pretty poisonous infighting!
Proberly until after the first PMQ's because as the 3rd largest party SNP now get 2 Questions and first time Angus Robertson stands up he will get hell from both the labour and tory backbenchers I remember all the abuse Clegg used to get before they went into coaliation.
UKIP is far from Dead in fact will only get stronger. this Suzanne Evan's is quite the politican the manifesto was her baby
i can see UKIP becoming the SNP of the south even if the referendum when we have it is to stay in they will still be
I can see there being a few by-elections in the next few years and the fact that ukip came 2nd in a lot of places during the election
About labour hoping they pick Dan Jarvis heard his name a few times on tv amongst both labour and conservatives read up his Biography went to state school , then after uni then joined the army went to Sandhurst was in 3 Para served in Kosovo Iraq and Afghanistan. in kosovo was involved in the the pristina airport incident when the russians had taken it and the american general wesley clarke wanted the para's to take the airport and the para leader told him basically to fuck off
but this dan jarvis seems like the type of politician we need