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RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - Glenn Miller - 22-05-2022 12:17
The Klitschko brothers are very much alive and appear in the media quite often from Kiev, where they have both been throughout the war. In fact Vitali Klitschko is the mayor of Kiev.
Oleksandr Usyk stayed in Ukraine for the first month of the war, but has since left to join a training camp in Poland to prepare for his upcoming world title fight with Anthony Joshua.
RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - southsidestu - 22-05-2022 14:14
A discussion on CNN between the editor orThe Economist & Chair of The Eurasia Group, a political risk consultancy firm, on how the war in Ukraine is playing a major factor in what could be the worst food crisis since WWI. 12 mins 21 secs
A report by Newsnights Economics editor Ben Chu which is a more abridged account
RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - MacDanett - 24-05-2022 15:40
Since the subject of sport was raised, despite everything Ukraine can at least play their World Cup play-off semi-final football match. They meet Scotland in Glasgow on 1 June, with the winner facing Wales in Cardiff 4 days later.
RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - lovebabes56 - 25-05-2022 07:32
What are rhe chances that the war will still be raging when the World Cup starts, and would it be possible Ukraine could have to pull out?
RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - seducedx6 - 25-05-2022 14:22
(22-05-2022 04:42 )lovebabes56 Wrote: Can we agree on one thing - that whatever happens and whatever our views are privately off forum - we stand firmly with UKRAINE on this forum?
I'd resisted responding to this, but as my post making the vital point, about cross-checking as many sources as possible, to get the best approximation of truth and reality, has been banished to a segregated thread, away from this homogenised thread, as this post probably will be too, I might as well say what I think..
I stand firmly with the international working class, against all nationalist warmongers, including Zelensky, who has effectively pressganged the whole male adult population of Ukraine, by not only conscription, but also forbidding them to leave the country, with few exceptions.
Not that this is about particular individuals, in the Ukrainian and Russian ruling classes, whatever the state of health of Putin, according to a conspiracist such as Oliver Stone!
I did make clear in some of my earliest forum posts, where I criticised blm, and identity politics, more widely, of which nationalism is merely the most widely 'respectable' form, about my internationalist Marxist outlook, but many might have missed it, and I've not been prompted to reiterate it directly since.
My point about not limiting sources, doesn't necessarily mean 'neutrality', such as the "balance" the BBC purports to strike.
However, I would expect higher standards, from those with an internationalist humanist outlook.
It puzzles me what distinguishes "trusted" from "suspect" sources, on this forum.. why are CNN, The Economist, and the 'Eurasia Group'(?), seemingly trusted without qualification..
Do none of these parties, including BBC, not have their own self-interested agendas, or are not party to wider ones?!
Ben Chu has always reminded me of Family Guy's Quagmire, that last word being all too pertinent in manoeuvres among imperialisms large and small.
'Eurasia Group' is evidently in "risk consultancy", which could mean a multitude of things, including a euphemism for PR, and even involvement on the ground, both of which have been part of wars, long before the social media age.
As I said in my aforementioned post, the Yugoslav war in the 1990s, is the most recent reference point for the role of the media in a major European war.
The recognition of seceding Slovenia and Croatia by Germany in late 1991, followed by USA several months later, was what escalated the conflict, and openly internationalised it into a full-blown war.
From that period onwards, certain parts of disintegrating Yugoslavia, especially Croatia, effectively had their own partisans in much of the Euro-American media.
As I said in a post in the segregated thread, if disagreements are allowed on this forum, why transfer disagreeing posts to a separate thread?!
If this is the nearest thing to a 'happy/ier news' thread on this subject, it's difficult to know what the point of either thread is, other than to create two echo chambers!
RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - schvall - 26-05-2022 14:57
Russia may have failed to take Kiev and failed in the north generally and failed to take Kharkiv, but they do seem to be making progess in the Donbas, even if slowly. By shelling villages to destruction they force everyone to leave there and then occupy the territory. Small farming communities are being completely wiped out. Some good news for Ukraine is that Poland has apparently delivered a big consignment of 'spare parts' for planes. But these parts can be assembled to make 14 complete planes!
RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - tony confederate - 30-05-2022 16:56
Russia is obsessed with taking the last city in Luhansk, one of the two Donbas regions. It will enable Russia to declare that it now controls the whole of Luhansk, a kind of victory. They are paying a high price in men and materials for this obsession though. They are attacking this city as though it means winning the war, but the city itself is of very little value, especially as the Russians have largely reduced it to rubble.
RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - Tumble_Drier - 30-05-2022 20:28
Survivor of actual Nazis dies in Putin's "De-Nazification" operation...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60826303
My contempt for anyone who excuses this war in any way is without limits.
RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - Tumble_Drier - 30-05-2022 20:30
Von Der Leyen planning "Special Russian Oil Embargo" by buying it so nobody else can pay more for it...
Ursula von der Leyen: “We need to buy Russian oil so Putin doesn’t make more profits elsewhere” pic.twitter.com/6n37A2HkGg
— Wittgenstein (@backtolife_2022) May 28, 2022
RE: Russian Invasion Of Ukraine - Tumble_Drier - 30-05-2022 20:48
Lavrov denies that Putin is ill. Putin is therefore almost certainly at Death's Door...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-61628473