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RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - Charlemagne - 15-12-2021 00:21
I see that the 15 minutes observation period has been suspended
RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - HannahsPet - 15-12-2021 05:59
^^ thats a bit dangerous
RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - The Silent Majority - 15-12-2021 08:03
(14-12-2021 16:08 )lancealot790 Wrote:(14-12-2021 15:23 )The Silent Majority Wrote: I thought you weren't in that group.
Make up your mind.
I’m not in any of those groups but I know people who are and I have no issue with their right to say no…unlike you.
I'm not against people choosing for themselves. Show me a post where I've said otherwise.
Antivaxers however, are not pro-choice. They're anti-choice. They don't want anyone to have the vaccine.
Civil liberties work both ways.
RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - winsaw - 15-12-2021 13:07
(14-12-2021 17:26 )Goodfella3041 Wrote: I don’t wear a mask to protect myself. I wear a mask to protect other people from me. I really feel that not masking up is just being selfish.
If you are wearing a full FFP4 respirator mask then fair play to you as you are actually doing what u say but if as most people are doing just covering your face with a bit of cotton then you are not stopping the virus from leaving your body , even in country like Austria that went full FFP2 level mask in all setting the highest level mask that lets you still do normal things like talking to each other it didn't stop the virus from spreading and they had near 100% compliance ,
Masks serve only two purposes when they are the sort most are wearing the first is to make people feel good for doing there bit in the big fight and then happily leaving there house to spend money and the second is for those who are so scared by all they have been told it's a safety blanket that lets them leave there house to go and spend money ,
RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - SecretAgent - 15-12-2021 13:21
Sorry Winsaw but you are wrong. Real world scientific tests have proven that wearing cloth masks DOES limit the spread of Covid 19. They may not be as good as surgical masks but one study showed they limited 37% of virus particles.
If they help (and the evidence is they do) why would anyone not wear a mask to potentially protect other people? The more I hear anti maskers and anti vaxxers deny/lie about the evidence the more I begin to favour a new lockdown for those people who don’t care about the health of their fellow human beings (I’m not saying you are necessarily in this category)
RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - Goodfella3041 - 15-12-2021 15:17
I remember a Nature article from about year ago that did a review of all the latest papers and evidence related to the effectiveness of masks.
The takeaway was memorable — evidenced by the fact that I still remember it. If you look at any one study, it’s not a slam dunk either way. But if you look at them all, then you’d have to conclude that — on balance — face covering probably helps.
So I come back to the point that even if the effectiveness is uncertain, it can’t possibly hurt — so why not do it?
To build on winsaw’s point, if masks are — at best — irrelevant, then widespread mask wearing could arguably do more harm than good by giving people a false sense of security. Would you behave in a more ‘risky’ manner with a mask than you would without one? I guess that could be harmful.
But even that presumes that we are wearing masks to protect ourselves more than we are to protect each other.
So I am remain very much of the view that we should be masking up. Preferably with good ones that are properly worn.
RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - Sm© - 15-12-2021 16:17
(15-12-2021 00:21 )Charlemagne Wrote: I see that the 15 minutes observation period has been suspended
Maybe in England, I had to sit for 15 minutes after my booster and flu jag in the Ayr race course hospitality suite an hour ago
RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - winsaw - 15-12-2021 17:34
(15-12-2021 13:21 )SecretAgent Wrote: Sorry Winsaw but you are wrong. Real world scientific tests have proven that wearing cloth masks DOES limit the spread of Covid 19. They may not be as good as surgical masks but one study showed they limited 37% of virus particles.
thats exactly the point i was making they dont stop all the virus getting out, so to me as they are not stopping it all i dont see the point in them , i never said it dont limit things but as has been show in other county where they have far more mask use than england the virus still can get very easy to a level where lockdowns happen, if people are really serous about masking to stop covid then they would have FFP4 masks on but i dont see that ever happening, as it is at the moment masks just give people an excuse to act like they cant get covid , i think with out masks people would be a lot more careful about being close to people they dont know with i think would do more to stop the spread
RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - hornball - 15-12-2021 17:39
(15-12-2021 17:34 )winsaw Wrote:(15-12-2021 13:21 )SecretAgent Wrote: Sorry Winsaw but you are wrong. Real world scientific tests have proven that wearing cloth masks DOES limit the spread of Covid 19. They may not be as good as surgical masks but one study showed they limited 37% of virus particles.
thats exactly the point i was making they dont stop all the virus getting out, so to me as they are not stopping it all i dont see the point in them , i never said it dont limit things but as has been show in other county where they have far more mask use than england the virus still can get very easy to a level where lockdowns happen, if people are really serous about masking to stop covid then they would have FFP4 masks on but i dont see that ever happening
I would be concerned at the low limit in percentage terms that such coverings protect you from! High grade masks are best for sure!
RE: Coronavirus - is enough being done to contain it? - SecretAgent - 15-12-2021 18:31
^^ Winsaw by your logic you would not wear a seatbelt because it won’t save everyone from death who crashes a car. You wouldn’t have drink driving laws because not every drunk behind the wheel of a car kills someone. The way to limit death from Covid 19 is to deploy a range of actions & face masks are a simple and effective action.
The 37% of viral load a cloth mask prevents escaping will reduce the likelihood that a non mask wearers anti-social actions could kill someone.
Tell me do you refuse to wear a mask or do you just not think you should be told to wear one?