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RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - admiral decker - 25-09-2014 14:18
(25-09-2014 13:30 )winsaw Wrote: i like the end of your statement where you agree with me that 66 do monitor them and there for have full control over what is shown on air
Yet another straw man argument and yet another deliberate lie by winsaw.
Here are the words I actually posted:
"In conclusion the 'full control' theory has no basis in fact. It isn't a requirement of Ofcom and it isn't something being practiced by Studio 66". I also posted that Studio 66 "monitor Xtreme Filth for compliance purposes".
You knew perfectly well what I said and you knew perfectly well what I meant.
Studio 66 do not produce or control the output of Xtreme Filth and monitor them for compliance only.
RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - winsaw - 25-09-2014 14:21
(25-09-2014 13:57 )admiral decker Wrote:(25-09-2014 13:30 )winsaw Wrote: to state that ofcom do not require a channel to be monitored for compliance on a daily basis is just not true and makes you look foolish,
Here we go again. Typical straw man argument.
Note: a "straw man" argument creates the illusion of having argued against a proposition, by deliberately replacing it with a different proposition and then refuting that false argument instead of the original proposition.
The Ofcom rules I copied from their website and quoted here do not state that Ofcom do not require a channel to be monitored for compliance on a daily basis. This is what's known as a deliberate winsaw lie.
As Ofcom clearly explain in the rules I quoted they require channels to be monitored for compliance on a daily basis, but they do not require that monitoring to be performed by the licence holder. It's acceptable to Ofcom for that monitoring to be carried by a third party.
Here's a repeat of Ofcom's words as copied from their website:
The licence holder is "responsible for putting in place adequate compliance arrangements, including retaining recordings of programmes, and for ensuring that the service as broadcast, complies with all the relevant Ofcom codes". The licence holder does not need to carry out "day to day activities to ensure compliance".
there is only one person telling a lie and thats you, in your earlier post you say and i quote "but is not required to monitor the output day by day."
yet above you say they do need to be monitored day to day
all through this thread you have do nothing but contradict your self with every time it is pointed out to you you just say you said something else,
now to try to transfer your lie onto me by calming i have changed my point of view when i have been nothing but consistent through out this thread just makes you look sad
RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - winsaw - 25-09-2014 14:28
(25-09-2014 14:18 )admiral decker Wrote: Studio 66 monitor them for compliance only.
this is what i don't get you admit the truth of the above and i fully agree with it but i can't see why you believe this means they don't have control of there out put as the simple truth is if 66 feel the output is about to breach compliance then the 66 logo will pop up on screen to stop us seeing the breach and in doing so 66 will have controlled the out put of XF
RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - admiral decker - 25-09-2014 14:36
(25-09-2014 14:21 )winsaw Wrote: in your earlier post you say and i quote "but is not required to monitor the output day by day."
yet above you say they do need to be monitored day to day
Actually the 2 posts you refer to say exactly the same thing because they both quote the Ofcom rules, as copied from their website.
It is not me telling you saying what the rules are, it's Ofcom. I'm only quoting their words as copied from their website.
As Ofcom clearly explain in the rules I quoted they require channels to be monitored for compliance on a daily basis, but they do not require that monitoring to be performed by the licence holder. It's acceptable to Ofcom for that monitoring to be carried by a third party.
Here's a repeat of Ofcom's words as copied from their website:
The licence holder is "responsible for putting in place adequate compliance arrangements, including retaining recordings of programmes, and for ensuring that the service as broadcast, complies with all the relevant Ofcom codes". The licence holder does not need to carry out "day to day activities to ensure compliance".
You seem confused by Ofcom's statement that the licence holder does not need to carry out "day to day activities to ensure compliance".
To explain, this statement does not mean that Ofcom don't require "day to day activities to ensure compliance" from being carried out. It means they do require "day to day activities to ensure compliance" to be carried out, but they don't require it to be carried out by the license holder. If that day to day monitoring is carried out by a party other than the license holder that is perfectly acceptable to Ofcom.
Now do you understand?
RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - BarrieBF - 25-09-2014 14:41
(25-09-2014 14:28 )winsaw Wrote: if 66 feel the output is about to breach compliance then the 66 logo will pop up on screen to stop us seeing the breach and in doing so 66 will have controlled the out put of XF
But not fully controlled it.
You've just admitted that they put the logo up only to stop breaches of compliance.
So you've admitted that they don't fully control the output, as they control it for compliance only.
RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - mrmann - 25-09-2014 14:44
RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - admiral decker - 25-09-2014 14:46
(25-09-2014 14:41 )BarrieBF Wrote: So you've admitted that they don't fully control the output, as they control it for compliance only.
Correct. In order for Studio 66 to have full control over the output they would have to produce the show themselves.
Merely putting a logo up occasionally to stop breaches of Ofcom's broadcasting code hardly gives them full control over the channel's output.
RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - mr mystery - 25-09-2014 14:52
(25-09-2014 14:41 )BarrieBF Wrote:(25-09-2014 14:28 )winsaw Wrote: if 66 feel the output is about to breach compliance then the 66 logo will pop up on screen to stop us seeing the breach and in doing so 66 will have controlled the out put of XF
But not fully controlled it.
You've just admitted that they put the logo up only to stop breaches of compliance.
So you've admitted that they don't fully control the output, as they control it for compliance only.
They do the same thing on all the STD 66 channels, not just their XtremeFilth show, so i take it they aren't in full control of the other STD 66 shows either and only put the logo up to stop breaches of compliance, no wonder Ofcom are investigating them
RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - BarrieBF - 25-09-2014 14:58
(25-09-2014 14:52 )mr mystery Wrote: so i take it they aren't in full control of the other STD 66 shows either
You take it wrong. If they produce the shows themselves they are in full control of them.
RE: XtremeFilth - General Chat & Discussion - winsaw - 25-09-2014 15:04
(25-09-2014 14:41 )BarrieBF Wrote: But not fully controlled it.
You've just admitted that they put the logo up only to stop breaches of compliance.
So you've admitted that they don't fully control the output, as they control it for compliance only.
that is the most nonsensical thing i have ever read
by being able to stop anything reaching air they have full control over the channel,
they don't need to employ the on the floor producer because anything he dose they don't like will not get shown,
it's like you are saying that the manager of a supermarket is not in charge of the frozen aisle because he don't put the chips in the freezer
66 is the manager XF is the shelf stacker just doing what they are told