Review of last night's show - Printable Version +- The UK Babe Channels Forum (https://www.babeshows.co.uk) +-- Forum: Night Shows (/forumdisplay.php?fid=1) +--- Forum: Babestation (/forumdisplay.php?fid=99) +---- Forum: BABESTATION TV (/forumdisplay.php?fid=2) +---- Thread: Review of last night's show (/showthread.php?tid=12851) Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 745 746 747 748 749 750 751 752 753 754 755 756 757 758 759 760 761 762 763 764 765 766 767 768 769 770 771 772 773 774 775 776 777 778 779 780 781 782 783 784 785 786 787 788 789 790 791 792 793 794 795 796 797 798 799 800 801 802 803 804 805 806 807 808 809 810 811 812 813 814 815 816 817 818 819 820 821 822 823 824 825 826 827 828 829 830 831 832 833 834 835 836 837 838 839 840 841 842 843 844 845 846 847 848 849 850 851 852 853 854 855 856 857 858 859 860 861 862 863 864 865 866 867 868 869 870 871 872 873 874 875 876 877 878 879 880 881 882 883 884 885 886 887 888 889 890 891 892 893 894 895 896 897 898 899 900 901 902 903 904 905 906 907 908 909 910 911 912 913 914 915 916 917 918 919 920 921 922 923 924 925 926 927 928 929 930 931 932 933 934 935 936 937 938 939 940 941 942 943 944 945 946 947 948 949 950 951 952 953 954 955 956 957 958 959 960 961 962 963 964 965 966 967 968 969 970 971 972 973 974 975 976 977 978 979 980 981 982 983 984 985 986 987 988 989 990 991 992 993 994 995 996 997 998 999 1000 1001 1002 1003 1004 1005 1006 1007 1008 1009 1010 1011 1012 1013 1014 1015 1016 1017 1018 1019 1020 1021 1022 1023 1024 1025 1026 1027 1028 1029 1030 1031 1032 1033 1034 1035 1036 1037 |
RE: Review of last night's show - Snooks - 08-07-2018 15:41 It is always interesting reading this thread. Stylistically the babes operate differently and sometimes I think their performance quality is either overly complimented or overly critical on a very selective basis (and yes I have been guilty of this too) Some babes are just never going to please some people while others will please them quite naturally and very easily. The way the shows and channels are now I think the babes face a constant uphill struggle to really sizzle and sparkle in a meaningful fashion. The contrast in styles is always intriguing to me. The high energy, high octane all out fun approach as opposed to the more understated, seductive, use of assets and personality to camera. I welcome this contrast. Unfortunately the general quality of both on all channels is pretty hopeless to be honest with a few exceptions. I read of 'GREAT' nights and laugh. I can't even recall when the last truly 'GREAT' night actually was on BS or indeed any other channel. An indication of just how long ago it was and how the channels have changed. All about screwing money out of folk now and not about quality of visual stimulus. This inevitably compromises the quality of shows imo and in this respect I have some sympathy with all babes. Not a lot but some. RE: Review of last night's show - trains55 - 09-07-2018 09:26 Morning all. Recorded all three FV shows as usual looking forward to seeing Mia at her best!? So what were BS thinking when they cancelled her shift and "replaced" her with Alexis!????????? So it gave us two! (out of ONLY four) girls who cant/wont do a "nightshow! I'm assuming that Sophie Haze? and Steph Easter didn't show? They certainly weren't on FV. Not a great start to a Sunday night! Thank goodness that Sophie and Nicole were on to "save the night" both going FULLY naked albeit briefly! Alexis obviously worked a FULL night as she was on BS for the last 56 minutes and was on Babecall from 3.00 briefly! But I still question why Babestation cancelled Mia who would have given us a GREAT nightshow!.................. So: Babestation: After a minute of daytime adverts Nicole was on for 1 hour 15 minutes in a white blouse (tied up) over a black lacy bra, black skirt, see-through black pants and shoes. Sat up, crouched and stood up with mainly fullish shots. She undid her blouse BRIEFLY a few times until it was off after 30 minutes. She then went topless (properly) until the end. She had a "rare" girl caller but otherwise it was a tamish section although she rubbed her (covered) pussy area on and off! Good. Sophie was then on for 1 hour 20 minutes in a (big) red bra and matching pants. Cuddled Nicole on changeover. Sat up, crouched, stood up and laid on back with full and top half shots. Fully naked from 12.14 for 22 minutes! Good. Kitty was then on for 58 minutes wearing a (big) blue bra, pants, suspender belt and black stockings. Sat up and stood up with full and fullish shots. Tame as usual but nice cleavage! Nicole was then on (again!) for 1 hour 26 minutes wearing a black lacy see-through bra and pants with shoes. Sat up, crouched and laid on her side and back. Topless early (briefly) and braless and naked twice for a few minutes! Full and top half shots. Good. Sophie was then on (again!) in the same outfit from earlier. Sat up and crouched with full and top half shots. Braless early BUT no further. Good. Alexis was then on (UNUSUAL!) for the last 56 minutes in a black PVC bra and black pants (same as on Babecall). Sat up. crouched (a lot) and was tame as usual! Although it was good? to see her on Freeview it was a bit of a waste: Compared to who she replaced! So a fairly good show BUT not as great as it could (and should!) have been with Mia on! VERY DISAPPOINTED and bemused as to Babestation's reasoning. Mia was obviously worried and upset but has promised to get as early a nightshow as she can: GREAT! What a STAR! Babenation: Nicole was on for the first hour and two minutes. Braless in her black see-through pants and shoes. Sat up, stood up and crouched (a lot) with full and top half shots. Also sat up side (full) when naked! Was fully naked after JUST 5 minutes until the end. Very good. Sophie was then on for 1 hour 10 minutes in her red outfit again! Sat up, crouched, stood up and laid on her back with full and top half shots. She went braless after JUST 5 minutes and was FULLY naked 7 minutes later for about 8 minutes! Good. Kitty was then on for 1 hour 19 minutes in her blue outfit from earlier. Sat up and stood up with full, fullish and top half shots. Tame as usual but nice cleavage. Nicole was then on (again!) for 1 hour 15 minutes. In the same black outfit from earlier (no blouse or shoes). Sat up, crouched and laid on back, side and front with mainly full shots. Braless very early and naked after JUST 18 minutes until the end. (57 minutes). Very good as usual. Kitty was then on (again!!)for JUST 13 minutes in the pink office in the same outfit. Sat up and laid on her side with full and top half shots. Tame as usual. So another fairly good show but ONLY 3 girls were on: no Alexis. Sophie and Nicole (again) were good but Kitty (as usual) did a nightshow for 2 hours 12 minutes in total. Not great then BUT so much better than it might have been thanks to Sophie and Nicole who performed well! Babecall: The worst ever! Alexis was on for the first 46 minutes in her black underwear. Laid on her side, crouched and sat up (side) with mainly fullish shots. Tame as usual. After 26 minutes of sexchat adverts Kitty was on (in the pink office) in her blue outfit. Sat up and crouched. Tame. Then 37 minutes of adverts until the end! So ONLY 56 minutes of the (day)show with loads of adverts! CRAP! Well what a DISAPPOINTING show it was! Only Sophie and Nicole held it together! Still can't fathom Babestation's logic in replacing Mia with Alexis! Doesn't make the vaguest of sense!.............................................. Tonight (HOPEFULLY!) we have Dixie! (8.00-4.00), Atlanta! (10.00-5.30), Nicole again! (10.00-5.00), Beth (8.00-4.00), Maxie Rhoads! (10.00-5.00) and Lynda (10.00-5.00). Hoping to see Dixie, Atlanta and Maxie at their best (worst!) as well as the others BUT not too much of Lynda (SORRY!). Enjoy!?.........................................Thanks. RE: Review of last night's show - qwerty125 - 09-07-2018 11:27 (08-07-2018 15:41 )snookered Wrote: It is always interesting reading this thread...(cut) Really interesting post Snookered. For the reviews I've written I do try to stay objective, but inevitably personal taste is going to creep in. I've only been watching regularly for about 6 months so I don't know how the shows used to be, but where I see a good night is where there is a good balance of styles (as you say - this makes it more interesting), but most important of all for me is commitment to putting on a good show on screen, while also dealing with callers/paying customers fairly and with respect to the fact that they are paying their wages. There are some girls that consistently achieve this, and I think that they should be applauded. I try to write positively as much as possible as I think this is a better way to encourage better shows from everyone, but criticism (when constructive) has its place as well. RE: Review of last night's show - winsaw - 09-07-2018 11:30 What a poor night that was, it's like bs didn't want to make money so cancelled the popular Mia and replaced her with Alexis who no one calls, Nicole thank God she was in did her best to carry the show on her back, got naked, was full of sexy energy and was enjoying herself, she's back to her best after a slow start to the year, and how bs need her, Sophie good show got her lovely boobs out, did lots of positions as usual, good reliable proper night show girl, Kitty crap as usual she's never going to show so please stop taking a slot that came be used by girls who will do a proper show, Alexis was worse that Kitty who was atleast trying to be sexy, Alexis did nothing and got very few calls, staying covered and not moving is not going to work, Karina was in did bsx and was on babecall before it went freeview but mainly on cam, a total waste as she would have got a lot more calls than the day show girls, RE: Review of last night's show - Geriisgreat - 09-07-2018 19:55 Couldn't agree more u both wishaw and trains Last night night was a right shambles after hearing earlier in the day mia wasn't appearing leaving two great night performers with 2 pg day girls Inbetween listening to music and watching alexis for the first hour have to say i don't think she'll last much longer seemed to be like mila and did very very little at one point it looked like she removed her bra only to put it back on asap Anyway tonight hopefully will be a big difference with atlanta Nicole beth and hopefully dixie RE: Review of last night's show - trains55 - 10-07-2018 07:21 Morning. Recorded all three FV shows hoping to see Dixie and Atlanta at their best plus Beth and Nicole but not too much of Lynda! But OF COURSE BS had other ideas! Beth wasn't on at all: was she on after 10.00? and Dixie was on Babecall for literally the first few seconds "naked" with pants down to mid-calf (one leg!). (You lucky Sky people!) So a VERY different night to last Monday! Babestation: After the usual daytime adverts Nicole was on for the first hour and five minutes. In a blue (cut away) top, skirt, black see-through pants and shoes. Sat up, crouched, stood up with one leg on the chair etc.At 10.17 she said" I'm gonna get my tits out" and she did: topless 2 minutes later. She took her shoes off 9 minutes later and was braless and skirtless a minute later. She played with her lovely tits most of the time and rubbed her bum thigh and pussy. She was FULLY naked for the last 5 minutes. Good as usual. Lynda was on next for 1 hour 30 minutes in a black dress with bright green bra and pants, black stockings and shoes. Cleavage. Topless on and off as usual. Took shoes and her dress off. Tamish. Atlanta was then on for JUST 49 minutes. Braless in lilac pants. Sat up, crouched, laid on front and back and stood up. Fully naked from 12.51 for 26 minutes. Really shook body. Good as usual. Nicole was then on (again!) for JUST 57 minutes. Braless just in (tiny) black/white pants. Sat up, crouched, stood up, leant on chair and laid on side. Her pants went down to mid-thigh and she was FULLY naked at 1.45 for 22 minutes. Good as usual. Maxie was then on for 1 hour 21 minutes! in a black shiny jacket, black strappy (smallish) bra, pants and shoes. Sat up, crouched, stood up leant on desk and laid on her front. Went topless, took her jacket off and was braless for the last few minutes. Good. Atlanta was then on (again!) for JUST 34 minutes! Braless in (tiny) black pants. Sat up, crouched and laid on her front and back. Really stretched her supple body, shook it and rubbed her thigh and pussy. Her pants went down to mid-calf BUT not off completely. Very good as usual. Lynda was then on (again!) for the last 48 minutes! In small mesh top, black pants, stockings and PVC boots. Sat up, crouched, laid on her side and stood up. Went topless. Tame. So a REASONABLE but not GREAT show! Nicole and Atlanta very good as usual, Maxie better than when she started nights BUT not naked like last time! Lynda as tame as usual! But VERY disapointed that Dixie wasn't on at all! or Beth. Babenation: Nicole was on for the first 36 minutes. Braless from the start in black pants. Sat up, crouched, stood up and knealt on the chair. Naked from 10 minutes until the end. Good as usual. Maxie was then on for 1 hour 16 minutes. Wearing a mesh two piece suit and tiny black pants. Stood up, sat up, crouched and laid on front. Topless after JUST 7 minutes briefly! and topless again near the end. Tame. Atlanta was then on for 1 hour 9 minutes in a pink lacy slip? and (tiny) black pants. Topless from the start. Sat up, crouched, stood up and laid on her front. Took slip? off early on and moved her pants down slightly. Naked at 2.27 for 34 minutes till she finished. Good as usual. Lynda was then on for 1 hour 2 minutes in her small mesh top, black pants, stockings and PVC boots. Sat up, stood up, leant on desk and laid on back. Topless on and off. Tame. Maxie was then on (again!) for the last 55 minutes. In her outfit from earlier. Sat up. Took jacket off early and went topless twice (briefly). Her nipples stayed out after she covered up even at 4.58. Good for her BUT not naked like last time she was on! Another REASONABLE but not GREAT show. Nicole and Atlanta very good again, Maxie a bit tame and Lynda as tame as usual. Once again no Dixie or Beth!.......... Babecall:not bad BUT not GREAT! Dixie was on for LITERALLY the first few seconds! "Naked" with her pants down to mid-calf (in one leg) crouched. NICE! Then 9 minutes of sexchat adverts. Nicole then on for 37 minutes in a blue/black strappy suit. Sat up and crouched. Topless early and braless (suit down).Tame. After 13 minutes of sexchat adverts Nicole was back on for another 44 minutes (with 8 minutes of adverts halfway through). She was still braless. Sat up, crouched and laid on her front and side. Tame. Atlanta was then on for the last 14 minutes in a grey/white bra and pants set. Sat up, crouched and laid on front and side. Braless straight away and pants down to mid-thigh. Sat up at the end (side view) to get dressed (after our show finished). A VERY tame show with no REAL nudity! And 31 minutes of adverts! So (for me!) a very disappointing night! Nicole and Atlanta were very good as usual, Maxie a bit restrained and Lynda was....................Lynda. But the BIG disappointment was that Dixie wasn't on at all (except for a few seconds on Babecall at 3.00!) I presume she was on Babecall and the web all night!? THANKS BS! And was Beth on after 10.00 at all? Tonight we have:Atlanta again! (8.00-4.00), Maxie Rhoads again! (10.00-5.00), Alice! (10.00-5.00), Sophie (10.00-5.00), Sophie (10.00-5.00) and Mila Amora! (8.00-4.00). Enjoy !?.........................................Thanks. RE: Review of last night's show - winsaw - 10-07-2018 11:43 What a difference a day makes and booking girls who do night shows, a very good night, Atlanta total star like usual, did everything expected, got naked, did her sexy gymnastics, loved the tiny thong she had on one of the smallest I have ever seen on a babeshow, she was smiling all night as she was enjoying being naughty, add to that one of the best midweek had shows I have seen and she meant business lastnight, Dixie I think that was her best night show yet, was expecting the worst when saw she was booked for the web show all night but thankfully she managed to get onto babecall for some long stints and best of all she was naked nearly the hole time, she really worked her fit body with lots of positions, playing with her boobs lots, was clearly enjoying herself, with lots of her big smile, great show, Maxie excellent again, she's really setteled in well at bs, I like that she has a different more slow and sensual style to most girls at bs makes a nice contrast, great outfits as you would expect from her and really played with her amazing boobs, Nicole good but not as great as the night before, was a little bit tamer I thought but still a lot to enjoy, had a lot of energy and was happy, just lacking that bit of cheeky that can make her shows special, Lynda, didn't see that much of her what I did seamed like the normal good solid show she dose most nights, had her usual outfits on l, a good pro, Beth sadly spent the hole night behind the iron curtain on the webshow, surely she can't have been doing a bsx type show all night must have been parts they could have show FTA RE: Review of last night's show - trains55 - 11-07-2018 09:25 Morning all. Recorded all three FV shows as usual hoping to see Atlanta and Mila (who replaced Lilly) as well as Alice, Sophie, Olivia and Maxie. Atlanta wasn't on and we didn't see Mila at all....... Babestation: Olivia was on first (after 1 minute of daytime adverts) for 1 hour 31 minutes. She was wearing a blue bra and pants set with black stockings and shoes. Sat up, crouched, laid on side and front and stood up with full and top half shots. Topless on 16 minutes and covered up at the end. VERY tame only going topless! Alice was then on for 1 hour 4 minutes in a burgundy? strappy bra, matching pants and her strappy shoes. Sat up (front and side) and sat on the chair (top half). Showed good cleavage from the start: was topless after JUST 6 minutes and soon braless with pants down to mid-thigh (one leg in them) until going naked (except shoes) for the last 37 minutes. She did a listen in line (with Mr P!) but without roamcam! Tit close ups at the end as she walked off set. Good as usual. Sophie was then on for 57 minutes! Wearing a black tracksuit top? and blue/red pants. Topless straight away! Sat up, crouched and stood up with full and top half shots. Braless (top off) after 4 minutes and FULLY naked JUST 14 minutes later for 24 minutes! She really played with her nice tits a lot.Good as usual. Maxie was then on for 1 hour 1 minute. In black bra, pants, straps? and shoes. Sat up, stood up, crouched briefly and crouched. Topless briefly and good as usual BUT a bit tame! Olivia was then on (again!) for ONLY 57 minutes. (Same outfit.) Sat up, crouched and laid on her front. Topless early on but NO further! Tame. Alice was then on (again!) for the last hour and twenty seven minutes. Braless from the start just in (tiny) black pants. Sat up (top half), laid on front (a lot!) and sat on the chair with full and top half shots. She was naked sometime after about 20 minutes (while sat up with top half shots) until the end. Good. So a fairly tame show! Alice and Olivia very good (both going naked), Maxie good BUT a bit tame, Olivia just about the tamest I've EVER seen her! Babenation: Olivia on for the first hour in her blue outfit. Sat up and crouched with full shots and went topless. TAME! Alice was then on for 1 hour 4 minutes in her burgundy? outfit. Sat up, laid on front and crouched. Pants down to mid thigh (one leg in them) and went naked. Rubbed pussy visibly and her bum and thigh. Good. Sophie was then on for 59 minutes! Braless in grey pants and black stockings. Sat up, crouched, laid on side and laid on her front (cushion under her tummy and boobs) with full and top half shots. Took pants off. Played with tits as usual. Good. Maxie was then on for 1 hour 55 minutes! until the end. In her black bra, pants and straps? outfit from BS. Sat up, stood up, leant on desk and sat on the floor! with full and top half shots. Braless from 52 minutes until the end showing off her HUGE tits! Very good. (And I don't USUALLY like tattooed girls: it's a big boob thing!) So a good show despite Atlanta not being on. Alice, Sophie and Maxie were very good. Olivia VERY tame again! And didn't see Mila at all. Babecall: Not too bad:ONLY 9 minutes of adverts! Alice was on for JUST 16 minutes at the start naked and sat up (top half shots) except for fullish shots for her last 4 minutes! BUT her first sections (up to 12 minutes) were very short (1 or 2 minutes!) with advert breaks! Then for the last 4 minutes we had fullish shots! (without OSG'S!) and she used her pants as a thong when she left the set! Good? but too many interruptions and bad shots! Sophie was then on for JUST 14 minutes in grey pants and black stockings.Sat up, stood up, crouched and laid on her back. There weren't any OSG's for the first 6 minutes! She took her pants off early (while sat up) and stayed naked (except stockings) until the end. Really played with her nice tits a lot and we saw good bum shots when stood up (side view). Good. Olivia was then on for the last 29 minutes in her blue outfit! Sat up and crouched with mainly fullish shots. Topless early and pants down VERY slightly! VERY tame! So a better (in some ways) show: ONLY 9 minutes of adverts! But VERY disjointed at the start and VERY tame apart from Alice! So I was VERY disappointed: Atlanta wasn't on and BS struggled to fill the void; fortunately Alice, Sophie and Maxie did their best! Olivia didn't seem to bother! Shame. Tonight we have: Chloe! (8.00-4.00), Alice again! (10.00-5.00), Macie Waters? (8.00-4.00), Eva Ray (10.00-5.00), Daisy Dillon (10.0-5.30) and Lori (10.00-5.00) Another "interesting" line up! Hoping to see Chloe at her best! BUT as she's on from 8.00 I'm not expecting to see her on FV at all!?....Enjoy!?.............................................Thanks. RE: Review of last night's show - winsaw - 11-07-2018 13:10 that was a good night, all proper night girls again so boobs aplenty, Maxie best girl for me lastnight, you can see shes getting more confident doing nights tv, lastnight she started really working her gorgeous peachy bum for the first time, lots of playing with her lovely bigboobs, great outfits again, shes been a good singing for bs, Taylor only web girl in i think, and she did very well as she did a lot of FTA shows only going off screen when playing with her pussy, much better than how Beth did it the night before, really enjoyed watching her sucking a dildo, Alice much better i thought, did some really good naked stints, showed off her sexy body with good full body shots, didn't see much of the other 2 girls so cant really review them, RE: Review of last night's show - Geriisgreat - 11-07-2018 15:42 Olivia is fast becoming 1 dimension same thing all night and very very boring compared to the likes of alice and sophie who always give 110% |