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RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - lovebabes56 - 04-09-2019 06:52
(04-09-2019 06:42 )SecretAgent Wrote: After the vote last night Johnson claimed that if the Bill passes today it will be a vote to stop negotiation of a deal. That’s utter bollocks. For a start the Bill if it becomes law does no such thing. More importantly as Phillip Hammond, Ken Clarke and the EU have said THERE ARE NO NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON BECAUSE DESPITE REPEATED REQUESTS JOHNSON HAS NOT PUT FORWARD ANY WORKABLE SOLUTIONS TO THE BACKSTOP. He wants a no deal and the fact that he’s lying to the public and Parliament is disgusting.
Further evidence of his lying is that in the Scottish Courts yesterday it was revealed that he agreed to prorogue Parliament around the 15th August yet denied publically he would do so up until he announced it on 28th August.
One Conservative MP who rebelled yesterday pointed out that the suspension of Parliament for 3 weeks for the Party Conferences was subject to a vote in Parliament and was likely to have been rejected because of Brexit.
The problem on the horizon that I see though is that the opinion polls suggest that in an election the Conservatives would win a majority and if they do (and have kicked out the rebels) then they will force through No Deal as they can overturn the Bill blocking it.
Let's face it most MP's talk bollocks!! Very few would have probably never even pass a lie detector test on the JK show!!
RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - lovebabes56 - 04-09-2019 07:08
SecretAgent wrote..
The problem on the horizon that I see though is that the opinion polls suggest that in an election the Conservatives would win a majority and if they do (and have kicked out the rebels) then they will force through No Deal as they can overturn the Bill blocking it.
That would suggest to me that
1) Any Conservative majority would have to be fairly sizeable enough - with or without re bel support
2) If the bill got through- there are suggestions that the Lords would give it tough time, but I think the Lords would pass it with a small majority.
4) In any election, my guess a Conservative majority would have around 40+ to even overturn it and force through no deal without relying on the rebels
RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - SOCATOA - 04-09-2019 09:08
So Johnson wants a general election, food banks, 4 million children in poverty, Pension age raised to 75, tax cuts for the super rich. Yeah that is the kind of party the people will vote for, what a dumb cunt
RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - lovebabes56 - 04-09-2019 09:12
OMG he makes Trunp look sane!!
RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - lovebabes56 - 04-09-2019 09:43
WTF? Judge in Scotland rules Johnson's suspension of Parliament lawful! Why wasn't case heard in High Courts in London?
https://t.co/VS7G8WdsOV?amp=1
RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - HannahsPet - 04-09-2019 09:54
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RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - lovebabes56 - 04-09-2019 10:16
he should be fined for that totally disrespectful
RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - HannahsPet - 04-09-2019 10:23
the bit where Kenneth clark burns him in his speech is funny
RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - southsidestu - 04-09-2019 10:43
The court ruling in Edinburgh said that it was a political matter, there will be an appeal which could go to the Supreme Court in Scotland & then referred down to London & joined with the Miller/Major case
I have no doubt that when you look at the law the judge in the case has made the right decision even though I do not agree with it, he may not agree with it any judge worth their salt will make decisions they personally disagree with, I wonder if his decision was based on the ambiguity of our unwritten constitution?
My personal belief is that democracy is more than just an X on a bit of paper now and again, democracy is about the liberal institutions that hold the whole thing up, such as Parliament and an independent judiciary. The courts should act as a check and balance against the executive as they did unanimously in the Article 50 case, twice. I cannot see how in a functioning liberal democracy the courts can allow the executive to shut down another branch of government, in this case the legislature, like a 17th century King, especially when we are at heart a parliamentary democracy and the courts ruled that in The Article 50 case that Parliament is the only lawful form of "the will of the people".
This in my view is a further example of why we need a formal written constitution, our own unwritten one is ironically been an example to many other countries written constitutions, we might want to start thinking about jotting some of this down on napkin or something as surely stopping the executive from shutting down "the will of the people" is exactly the role an independent judiciary should play in a functioning liberal democracy?
RE: Europe, Referendum & Brexit (formerly Europe..IN or OUT??) - SOCATOA - 04-09-2019 10:44
(04-09-2019 10:16 )babelover48 Wrote: he should be fined for that totally disrespectful
It's silver spooned cunts like him that have held Britain back for generations