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RE: S66 new website launch - Danzig - 31-03-2022 06:12
The established girls would make money whatever system they come up with... you already know the type of show they are going to put on. It's the newer girls that are of interest to see if punters are willing to stump up to pay money to see girls they have never heard of or what type of perfomer they are...there are the ones more likely end up on BS or Expanded.
RE: S66 new website launch - ShandyHand - 31-03-2022 09:11
^ Yes you're right (from the pov of a seasoned punter at least). Certain name babes can safely be ignored if so inclined. The fomo appeal of such streams is actually very limited when you consider what a known quantity they are.
Would you agree the amount of newbie, unaware, punters is low these days?
RE: S66 new website launch - Danzig - 31-03-2022 09:22
S66 do not even seem to be promoting the new girls on here anymore as well which will not help lift their profile.
RE: S66 new website launch - ShandyHand - 31-03-2022 10:18
(30-03-2022 23:42 )ryuken Wrote: The reluctance for shows to be recorded isn't new. XP don't allow it, and I think Bluebird or Sin TV didn't too. ...
Yes there's always been some ambiguity on the matter. (Rampant even now has a stream record button for their VIPs for instance.) I suspect the concern of the operators you name was mainly that of control over their output and particularly where the footage would end up. (Note blueb, XP and Rampant, at least, want/wanted to drive footfall to their own forums.)
As you imply, 66 have simply brought their recent thinking more in line with that of these previously dissenting voices.
s66 Wrote:We have had to implement the caveats above in reaction to a spike in trolling and stream recording activity. Our due diligence has proved that those users trolling the chat making unpleasant comments directed at customers, presenters alike and recording the streams are rarely customers.
(I find this subject fascinating in its implications. Readers will have to forgive the deep dive!
) The claims of an upturn in trolling and an increase in recording are also interesting ones. I'd suggest this is more a matter of perspective in each case and both illustrate where 66's show focus is at - over being statistical facts. Why do I say this? Well...
Anyone that has observed this industry over a decent amount of time will know instinctively that the number of critical commentators has fallen over the years. Just look at this place. Near all fhe voices of loudest criticism are long gone. The total number of punters that surround the shows is clearly down big time also, so how can it be true there's been a recent increase in trolling? What are 66 actually commenting on here...
Well, surprise, surprise, if you give guys an instanteous platform (the chatboxes) to bring their crap TO YOUR VERY DOOR your PERCEPTION of the amount of criticism you're getting will go up. No shit Sherlock! This doesn't mean there's more of it in total, just that you're finding it harder to ignore.
Arguments over what is trolling and what is valid criticism only begin at that point.
It's also an observable fact that babes are very used to controlling what they read and hear (filtering their social medias, only speaking to invested fans - especially on the likes of OF)... In those circs, the granting of access to their eyes for the typing of any fan with a website account was always going to bring forth accusations of abuse. The fact that people in general like to associate themselves with the 'problems of the day' in society - the ones getting all the publicity - is then, likely, another factor. The 'something must be done' bandwagon in microcosm: Trolling is in the press. So the babes are keen to label what they see as part of the current zeitgeist.
Don't get me wrong there were/are undoubtedly trolls around this industry. They deserve to be blocked from the chatboxes. But let's be honest about all that's going on here. Not bothering to be specific with who is labelled a troll is very convenient for babes looking to control the message around them. Looking to present themselves well to those they wish to impress. We've all seen genuine valid criticism that is lambasted by babes in the same manner as genuine abuse have we not? The brush is used broadly.
We need to look to all motives here. Not to excuse but to explain what's going on. To understand. To recognise the implications.
The idea that recordings are up is also dubious. Ask yourself does it feel like the number of guys bothering to record the shows (something Firestorm made increasingly difficult) is actually UP these days. The idea is patent nonsense is it not. The sheer number of uploads/uploaders we used to get here for instance was astounding. Those days are long gone.
So what are 66 talking about? Well what do we actually see babes complaining about when we dig deeper on this subject? It's (the mostly the wrong sort of) uploads to the wrong places isn't it. Porn site associations iow. And the uploading of paid material to tube sites of all sorts.
But then the volume of the main channel's output of PPV visuals has increased dramatically in recent years (every single babe now has this 'dirt' in effect) and so wouldn't you expect the number of idiot uploads to increase also? The content is harder, the quantity is more. Reprehensible uploading is bound to be up from what it was when all we got was panty flashes on perv. This is not shocking. The content has changed more than the uploaders.
But it's hard to blame payers (they must have shared the paid stuff initially at least) for such things. So 66 fudge this a little in their statement. The blame is shifted from a change in babe attitude (not one used to complain about fta uploads now it's commonplace) to the usual scapegoat freeloaders. (Though for once they quite professionally avoid the term itself.)
When looked at in proper context like this, this whole subject can be seen as a wrestling match for control. Control over message and the visibility of increasingly 'hard' footage. 66 are trying to create an environment more condusive to a new type babeshow. And like many people in positions of power the babes involved are struggling with the fact that tech has granted not just them autonomy of action and voice but everyone. This has good and bad consequences for us all. We should make sure we target and blame only those people deserving of such is all I ask. Be proportionate in our responses to common problems.
RE: S66 new website launch - seducedx6 - 31-03-2022 12:15
This is just a quick response.. bearing in mind, my having quoted Blaise Pascal before: https://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=18626&pid=2622861&highlight=Blaise+Pascal#pid2622861 "If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter".. ahead of maybe more later.
I doubt I'm in too small a minority, in having been inclined to be wary and weary of anything done or said by 66, for a long time.
However, especially since my experience of its customer service last year:
https://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=17445&pid=2603598#pid2603598 I've been wondering how it's managed to last so long!
Then came the still incomplete new website..
As I've discussed on Twitter, with my housemates, in a thread below a tweet by one of its biggest stars, sections of the website, such as videos and photos, are still empty, reaching tantric-like levels of forthcoming!
Suggesting the website is being setup by those who took a long time to fail to complete a computer system for the NHS!
I have recently argued that 66 is in "continuous scattershot crisis management": https://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=17445&pid=2663385#pid2663385 and I don't anticipate that changing any time soon.
The distinction between trolling and due criticism, is fraught more widely.
Especially given that social media is a major part of what passes for a public sphere these days, not least during the pandemic.
Albeit to some degree, it was ever thus, going back to the earliest public sphere, the ancient Greek agora, with Socrates being punished for asking challenging questions.
Although I might prefer Diogenes: https://newhumanist.org.uk/articles/5735/what-can-we-learn-from-ancient-cynicism whose name I used when I first started posting anything online, around ten years ago.
Many public figures or entities will seek to exercise what power they can, to suppress or evade criticism. Although today, outside of cliques and cults of cheerleading sycophants, and the "filter bubble", that's not guaranteed.
To some extent, the sharing of various recordings, whether ppv from individuals' fan pages, or streams from 66 etc, must drive some to the original sites, to spend £€$.
So the promotional byproduct, is possibly the best that can be expected.
However, if 66 don't put what ppv videos are available, in the place where people would expect them to be, they're not really helping themselves.
RE: S66 new website launch - jules49 - 31-03-2022 14:30
So having paid £20.00 for VIP membership I cannot access the site because I have not topped up for over a month even though I now have 300 credits.The whole organisation of the so called new website is a disgrace as is the customer service who I think has just one person working and does not have a clue what is going on.its just a complete rip off so I am demanding my £20.00 back as they cannot dictate to customers in the way they do and I shall be taking the matter further.No videos,photos any more.Just premium,private or watch for free and tip if you feel like it.How a so called organisation even survives astonishes me.No wonder so many of the models on here now have OF so they can make a living and pay their bills.yes I am pissed off.
RE: S66 new website launch - aaron - 31-03-2022 14:42
(31-03-2022 06:12 )Danzig Wrote: It's the newer girls that are of interest to see if punters are willing to stump up to pay money to see girls they have never heard of or what type of perfomer they are
Well to be fair if you've paid for access to the streams in order to see the established girls you've inevitably also got access to the newer girls at no extra cost. So even if there are girls you've never heard of you'll soon become familiar with them.
Also, the girls who put themselves in premium shows a lot of the time tend to be the more established girls, which means that although the newer girls may be little known they are at least easier (cheaper) to get to watch than many others.
RE: S66 new website launch - 7 stars of the orient - 31-03-2022 14:58
(31-03-2022 14:30 )jules49 Wrote: So having paid £20.00 for VIP membership I cannot access the site because I have not topped up for over a month
You have topped up if you've just paid for VIP membership and should be good to go. So I assume it's yet another of the glitches that keep happening on the site, in which case it shouldn't be difficult to sort out. The way things are at the moment you sometimes need to have patience to use this site.
RE: S66 new website launch - jules49 - 31-03-2022 15:06
Yep.Just tried again and can only view one model who is on tv anyway.All the glitches should have been ironed out by now.I have emailed customer support so will probably get a response when they decide to wake up.The old site was user friendly so why change something just to benefit them. Without the customers they would not exist.
RE: S66 new website launch - docutech - 31-03-2022 15:10
(31-03-2022 14:30 )jules49 Wrote: So having paid £20.00 for VIP membership I cannot access the site because I have not topped up for over a month even though I now have 300 credits.The whole organisation of the so called new website is a disgrace as is the customer service who I think has just one person working and does not have a clue what is going on.its just a complete rip off so I am demanding my £20.00 back as they cannot dictate to customers in the way they do and I shall be taking the matter further.No videos,photos any more.Just premium,private or watch for free and tip if you feel like it.How a so called organisation even survives astonishes me.No wonder so many of the models on here now have OF so they can make a living and pay their bills.yes I am pissed off.
Their new video / photo's section is due be launched imminently, I have spoke to a couple of models how have shot some material and I have seen the format myself.
My understanding is this is to try and claw back some of the Only Fans market for the channel (and girl) and will allow her to upload her own content and make certain images pay per view or free as well as including content by the channel, it will also eventually allow direct contact to a girl as Only Fans does (to a girls discretion I presume)
I suspect this concept will be a subscribe for (VIP type) service but all details and finer points etc should be revealed soon...