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RE: Whats Missing? - Dreamlander - 04-02-2009 22:24
Also,pre 9pm chat is supposed to be 'flirty not dirty'! How do you quantify that? What one girl considers flirty another may be offended at.Even the Cellcast girls move sexily and suggestively whilst wearing sexy clothes.What do the broadcasters and Ofcom expect most guys to be doing on the other end of the phone?
Dreamlander
RE: Whats Missing? - Rod Crupe - 04-02-2009 22:38
cherryryder Wrote:The thing that pisses me off about the Cellcast daytime shows is the fall pretence and facade...you know (I mean everyone who makes the programme - director, producer, cameramen, 'party boys', babes) that the show will attract guys that are at home masturbating and you don't mind them ringing in as long as you're making money..but when the guy with the cock in one hand listens the babe portrays an innocent 'butter wouldn't melt in my mouth' legal character...
My point is if the babes are not allowed to talk dirty over the phones and ofcourse theyre not, they should atleast be suggestive and help the caller have a wank!
I think its about being clever. As long as the girl knows nothing of it she cant get in trouble for it. If its filthy chat you are after then there is nighttime. Daytime is not for everyone. It is a flirty show not dirty and thats how its advertised in the graphics. Its cheeky yeah and sometimes little suggestion is there. But ulimately its daytime chat, and with the pp and bs girls they do try to find the right balance so you dont always have to call up and talk about something dull, thye will lead the call and you can listen with little imput if you want, but if its blatant (and ofcom listening in would suspect it) then the girl has to read the rights and the call has to end.
Its not to everyones taste, and daytime is a very hard market as its not sex so its never going to be the most thriving business and nor is everyone going to like it.
It is a job afterall and the program makers are just doing there jobs. As the old saying goes.. If you dont like it dont touch it
RE: Whats Missing? - Colbert Rules - 05-02-2009 03:01
Don't be fooled, the daytime chat is very interesting. The girls cover their mouths with the phone for a reason. If you lipread them and I have, then you know what I mean!
RE: Whats Missing? - DocSteveV - 05-02-2009 05:12
shandyman Wrote:DocSteve, Dani T & Tiffany are getting away with it at teh moment, but all it takes is offcom to take 1 look and fine them or pull them off the air, if they also look at the other channels at the same time, then the cellcast ones are safe. So playing it safe is the best thing they will do as a company wanting to make money, rather than risking it. BSD & PP have tried to vary the positions and that, but I do agree that its frustrating the the pad are doing what they are doing and BSD/PP aren't
I like your post tho, alot of thought and detail!i'm with you on the website issue totally. Tho to be honest, i only had a quick gander at the anyway
Thank you for your comments, ShandyMan - it's great to be appreciated
. I deliberately made no mention of OFCOM because I wasn't sure it would be appropriate in this thread. However, since this behemoth has raised its ugly head, here's what I think.First of all, let's be realistic. It would be naïve to expect Joe Public to use his common-sense and set the parental controls on his digibox (a measure that OFCOM considers inadequate), or just not tune into programmes / channels which aren't to his taste. It would be equally naïve (and futile) to take OFCOM to task for infringing the fundamental democratic right to free speech / choice in this country. This being the case, it's a sad but incontrovertible fact that OFCOM is here to stay in an Orwellian "Big Brother" capacity to protect us from ourselves. I believe their decisions are perverse and their regulations are open-ended, despite their claiming to be fully compliant with the Government's "Plain English" initiative.
Cellcast are pussy-footing around to avoid OFCOM's wrath - and rightly so, if they've formally complained about other channels, as CherryRyder says. The Pad girls might well be risking their livelihoods and I dare say the days of gyrating and sofa-humping are numbered. All the more reason to enjoy it while we have the opportunity, I say. But consider this - despite viewer expectation of a channel being listed in the adult section of the Sky Programme Guide, OFCOM doesn't classify any of these shows as "adult sex". As far as I can tell, it's for this reason alone that the programmes are available on a free-to-air basis instead of being encrypted and PIN-protected. So, imposing an additional 10pm watershed may make some convoluted sense to OFCOM, but it makes no sense whatsoever to me. Hopefully someone out there could clarify this for me?
There are two OFCOM rules which seem to be at the heart of this matter:-
Rule 2.1 - "Generally accepted standards must be applied to the contents of television and radio services so as to provide adequate protection for members of the public from the inclusion in such services of harmful and/or offensive material".
Rule 2.3 - "In applying generally accepted standards broadcasters must ensure that material which may cause offence is justified by the context. Such material may include, but is not limited to, offensive language, violence, sex, sexual violence, humiliation, distress, violation of human dignity, discriminatory treatment or language (for example on the grounds of age, disability, gender, race, religion, beliefs and sexual orientation). Appropriate information should also be broadcast where it would assist in avoiding or minimising offence."
By way of an example, Bang Babes fell foul of both these rules last October, purely because seven months earlier, one of the girls started her usual post-10pm antics a full 17 minutes too early!!! Even so, "OFCOM acknowledges that the images and language on Tease Me 2 were materially less explicit than in a number of examples of free-to-air ‘adult’ chat service content that it has previously investigated." Since the viewing material in question contained simulated masturbation and prolonged close-ups of jiggling naked breasts, I can't help but wonder if this statement contains small ray of hope. By comparison, the Pad girls' little routines are so much tamer. All their bits are covered, which by implication should be enough to satisfy the OFCOM rules - shouldn't they? Incidentally, if anyone wants more information on this particular case, the report is freely available at http://www.ofcom.org.uk/tv/obb/prog_cb/obb120/issue120.pdf (scroll down to page 18).
Obviously, there is a rule 2.2 as well - "Factual programmes or items or portrayals of factual matters must not materially mislead the audience." I reckon the website issue I mentioned in my previous post would probably fall foul of this rule, if somebody were to lodge a formal complaint about it. Don't get me wrong, I've no reason to be a whistle-blower - but perhaps channels should give equal consideration to this rule before advertising virtually non-existent websites, or making exaggerated claims about updated content. It certainly seems to have been overlooked recently.
RE: Whats Missing? - Scotsman - 05-02-2009 19:36
Colbert Rules Wrote:Don't be fooled, the daytime chat is very interesting. The girls cover their mouths with the phone for a reason. If you lipread them and I have, then you know what I mean!
Sadly I think you're the one who's been fooled.
As much as the girls make it seem like they're talking dirty, they're not. You get some really good suggestive stuff that's almost like 'code' but never out and out filth.
RE: Whats Missing? - cherryryder - 05-02-2009 19:49
Scotsman Wrote:Colbert Rules Wrote:Don't be fooled, the daytime chat is very interesting. The girls cover their mouths with the phone for a reason. If you lipread them and I have, then you know what I mean!
Sadly I think you're the one who's been fooled.
I concur
RE: Whats Missing? - Colbert Rules - 05-02-2009 21:08
Scotsman Wrote:Colbert Rules Wrote:Don't be fooled, the daytime chat is very interesting. The girls cover their mouths with the phone for a reason. If you lipread them and I have, then you know what I mean!
Sadly I think you're the one who's been fooled.
I'm not talking about dirty or sexy talk mate...something else?
RE: Whats Missing? - cherryryder - 05-02-2009 21:10
Colbert Rules Wrote:I'm not talking about dirty or sexy talk mate...something else?
you mean insider information on the markets?
RE: Whats Missing? - Shandy - 05-02-2009 21:14
is it who's gonna win at the brit awards this year?
RE: Whats Missing? - Colbert Rules - 05-02-2009 21:54
cherryryder Wrote:No, but business is business!Colbert Rules Wrote:I'm not talking about dirty or sexy talk mate...something else?
you mean insider information on the markets?