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RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - winsaw - 14-01-2021 13:25
very interesting peace in the new york times about OF today, gives a good in sight into things
Savannah Benavidez stopped working at her job as a medical biller in June to take care of her 2-year-old son after his day care shut down. Needing a way to pay her bills, she created an account on OnlyFans — a social media platform where users sell original content to monthly subscribers — and started posting photos of herself nude or in lingerie.
Ms. Benavidez, 23, has made $64,000 since July, enough not just to take care of her own bills, but to help family and friends with rent and car payments.
“It’s more money than I have ever made in any job,” she said. “I have more money than I know what to do with.”
Lexi Eixenberger was hoping for a similar windfall when she started an OnlyFans account in November. A restaurant worker in Billings, Mont., Ms. Eixenberger, 22, has been laid off three times during the pandemic and was so in need of cash by October that she had to drop out of dental hygiene school. After donating plasma and doing odd jobs, she still didn’t have enough to pay her bills, so at the suggestion of some friends, she turned to OnlyFans. She has made only about $500 so far.
OnlyFans, founded in 2016 and based in Britain, has boomed in popularity during the pandemic. As of December, it had more than 90 million users and more than one million content creators, up from 120,000 in 2019. The company declined to comment for this article.
With millions of Americans unemployed, some like Ms. Benavidez and Ms. Eixenberger are turning to OnlyFans in an attempt to provide for themselves and their families. The pandemic has taken a particularly devastating toll on women and mothers, wiping out parts of the economy where women dominate: retail businesses, restaurants and health care.
“A lot of people are migrating to OnlyFans out of desperation,” said Angela Jones, an associate professor of sociology at the State University of New York at Farmingdale. “These are people who are worried about eating, they’re worried about keeping the lights on, they’re worried about not being evicted.”
But for every person like Ms. Benavidez, who is able to use OnlyFans as her primary source of income, there are dozens more, like Ms. Eixenberger, who hope for a windfall and end up with little more than a few hundred dollars and worries that the photos will hinder their ability to get a job in the future.
“It is already an incredibly saturated market,” Ms. Jones said of explicit content online. “The idea that people are just going to open up an OnlyFans account and start raking in the dough is really misguided.”
The most successful content creators are often models, porn stars and celebrities who already have large social media followings. They can use their other online platforms to drive followers to their OnlyFans accounts, where they offer exclusive content to those willing to pay a monthly fee — even personalized content in exchange for tips. OnlyFans takes a 20 percent cut of any pay. Some creators receive tips through mobile payment apps, which aren’t subject to that cut; Ms. Benavidez earns most of her money this way.
But many of the creators who have joined the platform out of dire financial need do not have large social media followings or any way to drum up consistent business.
Elle Morocco of West Palm Beach, Fla., was laid off from her job as an office manager in July. Her unemployment checks don’t cover her $1,600 monthly rent, utility bills and food costs, so she joined OnlyFans in November.
But Ms. Morocco, 36, had no social media presence to speak of when she joined the platform, and has had to gain subscribers one by one — by posting pictures of herself on Instagram and Twitter, and following up with people who like and comment on her posts, encouraging each one to subscribe to OnlyFans. It’s more challenging and time consuming than she expected, and less financially rewarding.
“It’s a full-time job on top of your full-time job looking for work,” she said. “Fans want to see you posting daily. You’re always churning. You’re always taking pictures to post.”
She has made just $250 on the platform so far, despite sometimes spending upward of eight hours a day creating, posting and promoting her content.
Ms. Morocco also worries that her presence on the platform will make it more difficult for her to be hired for traditional jobs in the future.
“If you’re looking for a 9 to 5, they might not hire you if they find out you have an OnlyFans,” she said. “They may not want you if they know you’re a sex worker.”
Digital sex work can give the illusion of safety and privacy — content creators can get paid without having to interact with clients in person. But that doesn’t mean there aren’t risks.
“Online sex work is a much more appealing alternative to many people than going on the streets or selling direct sexual services,” said Barb Brents, a professor of sociology at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. “That said, anybody getting into this kind of work needs to be aware that there are dangers.”
Last April, a mechanic in Indiana lost her job at a Honda dealership after management learned she had an OnlyFans account. Creators can be the target of “doxxing” — a form of online harassment in which users publish private or sensitive information about someone without permission. In December, The New York Post published an article about a New York City medic who was using OnlyFans to supplement her income. The medic believed that the article, published without her consent, would damage her reputation and get her fired from her job.
Creators can also be subject to “capping,” a practice in which users take unauthorized screenshots or recordings and then share them elsewhere on the internet. OnlyFans creators have also received death and rape threats on social media.
OnlyFans content creators can face not just professional consequences but personal ones, too. Ms. Eixenberger has been keeping her account secret from her father, but knows he will find out now that she has gone public. “I don’t want to be shamed or disowned,” she said.
Others say the experience has been empowering. Melany Hall, a single mother of three, earns $13.30 an hour as a paramedic in northern Ohio, barely enough to cover her bills. She started an OnlyFans account in December.
“I’m a mom of three kids. I never thought anyone would pay to see me naked,” said Ms. Hall, 27. “It’s been a confidence boost.”
She has made about $700 so far — not enough to change her life, but enough to make the holidays special.
“This is the first year I didn’t have to choose between the electric bill and Christmas presents for my kids,” she said. “This is the first year I’ve been able to do it all by myself.”
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - Rammyrascal - 14-01-2021 14:54
Agree winsaw. Especially like that it’s pointing out that onlyfans isn’t successful for everyone. For all those who have made it a success on onlyfans, there are plenty who haven’t made it a success on onlyfans.
Also like that it points out that if you want your onlyfans to be a success, you have to put a lot of time, effort and money into it. You can’t just post pics & videos and expect to immediately be successful
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - Spike1876 - 14-01-2021 16:49
Helps if you work on a Babe show... And allow pictures on a forum
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - Ultramantis Black - 14-01-2021 17:14
(14-01-2021 14:54 )Rammyrascal Wrote: Agree winsaw. Especially like that it’s pointing out that onlyfans isn’t successful for everyone. For all those who have made it a success on onlyfans, there are plenty who haven’t made it a success on onlyfans.
Also like that it points out that if you want your onlyfans to be a success, you have to put a lot of time, effort and money into it. You can’t just post pics & videos and expect to immediately be successful
Spot on. Unless you're someone with some sort of name in the adult field, be it a porn star, an established girl from BS and the like, it's going to take time to build a fanbase, especially with so much competition out there. And you're going to have to work at it too.
In regards to how much some girls make, I was reading a post on Twitter from someone criticizing those girls who have these super-cheap sign up prices for their Only Fans (like a couple of dollars) and how they were undervaluing themselves and should charge $30 a month. One of the replies was from a (UK) girl who said with her $3.99 a month membership she makes more in one month from her Only Fans than she did on her annual salary when she worked a "regular" job. Noting at that price she has a recurring membership of fans, almost all who wouldn't be there if she was charging them $30 a month.
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - ryuken - 14-01-2021 20:55
What's everyone's opinion on Babestation's Leaderboard?
I'm not a fan of it at all, because it doesn't take into account how much a presenter makes on calls and cams, it's only based on tips and buzzes.
But my biggest issue with it is that presenters are setting tip goals of around £500 to do something for less than a minute.
Now whole 8 hour shifts are based around it, and they won't do anything to entice punters, before or after they hit their tip goal.
At least with Gold Shows on Streamate there's a time limit for a presenter to hit a goal. And if she doesn't hit it, then the money goes back to the punter.
That's why I really like Brooks on S66, because she says she'll never use tip goals. She just asks us to give her a call or cam, and she'll do whatever you want.
What is surprising though, is that the "big" presenters that you would think might get the most tips and be at the top of the leaderboard, rarely are.
Sadly if punters keep throwing thousands of pounds every night at presenters, it won't quietly disappear off into the distance, like Mr P shows have.
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - ryuken - 16-01-2021 00:08
(26-08-2020 19:27 )ShandyHand Wrote:Quote:We're very excited to announce a brand new way for you to interact with the show and your favourite girls - the new Babestation Leaderboard.
Whether your top babe is live on the show, or maybe she's offline and you want to show her some love, you can head to her personal profile and send her a tip. With every tip, you'll see yourself climb up the leaderboard and you can follow your progress by seeing your name on our on-screen graphics!
You can also follow your progress online here.
If you manage to be the highest tipper of the day, you will be crowned King Of The Day. Not only that, if the tips sent to your favourite babe outdo all others, she will become Babe Of The Day or even (with consistent tipping) Babe Of The Week!
Just head over to the personal profile for the girl of your choice to find the tip system and leaderboard. Start interacting now to be The King!
Stop. Think about this. Then read it again. And think about it again. Think why it was written and why the writer thinks what they're describing will prove a successful revenue creating endeavour for BS. Now think why they imagine this is the case with enough certainty to bother with its implemention in terms of the coding involved and marketing required. And ask yourself: Have you ever seen a few paragraphs that outline more succinctly just how industry insiders can come to view its lowly punters? What simping emotion-led delusional dolts we must be to them if they think we are this way as a body.
The writer here and (given its approval for release in this fashion) by extension BS as a whole, can only see paying punters as externally pettily impressed by their own spending on the babes. Impressed by their own obsessions and complusive commitments to their favourite performers. Impressed by their personal support of 'their' babe and the fact that it might make her top dog of some meaningless shallow competition of absolutely zero importance to any right thinking person; instantly replaced, and instantly forgotten... day after day after day. I can not think of a more vacous plaudit than King of the Day.
We are all cripples to our competetive jealousies of other punters in their eyes. All fearful that other guys might outdo our attempts to garner our babe's attentions away from us. We are ridiculous children striving to get our gold star on BS's fridge.
I hate this psychological assessment and I hate the attempted manipulation of the tip system this leaderboard promotes with a passion. For, make no mistake, this piece is also an attempt to move the shows ever further from its roots as performance entertainment. Not only does it try to create VALUE out of NOTHING but it presents an environment where tips are not payment for services rendered (or to be rendered) any more but are a mere payment of fealty. This promo pushes an exaltation to do your DUTY as a servant to the shows. It's a play to the punter's emotional fragility towards their figures of fantasy. It doesn't matter anymore (apparently) what your babe does or doesn't do for her tip money, the only issue is your pathetic feelings of achievement at having supported her better than others around you (guys you have SO MUCH in common with).
Well... I say, laugh at this findom vision of the shows. And laugh at this idea of what your money down is supposed to be for. Most of all refute this patronising and frankly insulting representation of who punters are. League tables my arse, concentrate on what matters BS, the vast majority of us are not to be taken in by this bull...
Tip because it brings the best in erotic performance out of your babe or because her work has pleased you in the moment. Tip because it makes for better shows and encourages others to do the same. SHARE the love of your babe's sensuality and the joy of helping good shows along. Anything else is just an absolute fucking nonsense and the sort of thing that when seen in the chatboxes makes them a worse place to be.
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - The tiny giant - 16-01-2021 03:11
Hiya on bs the buzzers and tip goal are a tip off I've seen two shows where presenters have hit the tip goal both goals were 1 minute buzz on mic one was done without mic on the other was never done in the 3 hours she was on even had the guts to put up another tip goal even tho the first one hadn't been done I've only seen this once someone did a 10k in credits one show if UR favourite girl does home cam shows then make sure if u can surport them then do it because they don't get paid they have half in what they make per show they only get paid for studio shows and what the channels say they can make per show is a guideline from Dazzler
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - The tiny giant - 16-01-2021 03:36
Seeing people talking about Lola knight I'm not sure in what's happened I do know she's had alot of her content uploaded to different porn site which cost alot of time and money to remove them I also seen afew bust up between her and the studios over her shows but only talking to people who subscribed to u will bring on its on problems down the line. Ok I can see why babe channel girls do this. Let's say a person has 1000 followers each one of these sends me message that's a 1000 messages in that inbox without other social media platform but at the same time if they come on to social media and state I'm not reading or replying to messages on any social media unless it n one that u pay for what's the point in having these accounts up why should anyone promote a person on social media with retweets of when they are going to be doing there shows or things they want u to promote like there paid sites and u can't messages them its a two way Street. From Dazzler
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - The tiny giant - 16-01-2021 03:55
As for onlyfans there's going to be a lot of problems in the future I can see all these girls who have jumped on the bandwagon in thinking that this is a way of making money quickly might be correct but at what cost doing this type of work is hard and demanding without having a family to look after or being a babe channel girl but there's only so many hours in a day and there only so much money people can throw at girls. Once that person money dries up or stops it's onto the next person. It always has and always will be like that. I do think alot of the numbers girls put out about what they earn from onlyfans maybe false because of they were making what they say they are don't u think the government or whoever is in power in a country would be doing more to get money out of the company and the people as well don't get me wrong there are some that are making good money there are only girls that have been in the industry for over 20 years and still going strong as well from Dazzler
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - Rammyrascal - 16-01-2021 11:18
Agree, the onlyfans bubble will eventually burst and it will be replaced by another site and so on