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RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - The tiny giant - 02-07-2022 22:22
It was nice the other day on s66 when Rebecca Kelly did a studio show. I've got no problems what so ever in a channel babe being behind a paywall and earning money as it is there livelihood. But I do wonder in how much they do make. Do they earn more or less behind a paywall or doing a webcam ?.are customer more demanding in a premium because they are already paying from 30 credits per minute without doing anything else ?. it would be better if they thought it out on there shifts like what some S66 babes are doing in telling everyone the times they are going on TV backstage and premium. Do the studio
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - ShandyHand - 11-07-2022 20:26
(02-07-2022 22:22 )The tiny giant Wrote: ...I've got no problems what so ever in a channel babe being behind a paywall and earning money as it is there livelihood...
This always strikes me as the ultimate straw man argument about the shows. It has an element of gaslighting in it too. I'd like to explode its myths if I may. (Sorry tiny, I know you're not the originator of this hoary old idea
. In fact I suspect it was, and continues to be, a vibe spread to punters by a certain kind of babe.) For a start, there's the implication that paywalls are the only way to 'do' the shows. This is false. Anyone that has more experience watching than a wet-in-nappies newbie will be able to recollect the names of several babes that have been very successful (in recent times) in focusing on calls and/or tips/buzzes almost exclusively. So the best that it can mean is that - for the paywall dwelling babes - it's the only way THEY feel they can do the shows. This is a VERY different thing to the 'paywalls are essential' line such brief encapsulations try to make us breeze past. In fact - as honest insider commentary has made very clear at times lately - dominant use of paywalls on the shows is clearly a practical and very much individual choice by the presenter when it comes right down to it.
Another inherent mischaracterisation comes in such statement's main implication: That there are posters (many of them?) whose criticism of the babes in question boils down to their simple use of paywalls alone and that they want the babes gone for it. Iow, it makes criticisms of these babes appear unreasonable... Now, to be clear, I simply can't recall - certainly not in years in any case - anyone on the forum (or elsewhere for that matter) saying these babes shouldn't be on the shows nor even that they shouldn't be allowed to choose the way in which they work.
Instead, the actual criticism is that in choosing this path they've helped to change the nature of the services on offer quite fundamentally. And thus moved the babeshows much more firmly into the arena of simple webcamming. (There's a reason 66 switched to using "cams" in their name a good while back.)
After all, and let's be honest here, the vast majority of these babes don't intended to recreate studio style shows behind an online paywall. They've no intention of doing old style shows there. (Instead it's all about getting privates, etc., - establishing relationships - in order to isolate the credit rich individuals that click on and milk them in a less open setting.) Please reader, consider what you've seen on streams recently and tell me the group propelled show is not an anathema to the vast majority of babes once away from the studio?*
Paywalls started it; privates pushed it further in the same direction; the increased prominence of home cams really shifted the status quo, and now 66's "Premium" shows threaten the very basis of what this forum has in its very name. It's all one (sad) direction of travel.
The central punter objection then, is actually to this thru line change's redefinition of what is being paid for and, most particularly, the most recent actual reinventions of what the shows are.
The real problem is thus not what individual babes are doing (their punters are, of course, free to choose where they put their money) but the direction it is pulling the industry as a whole.
Result: Punters of my ilk currently get less to choose from when we're supposed to be getting more. And it looks like it's only going to get worse... If current and future babes are inclined to only think of the shows as a thing made of endless paywalls (via what they see dominate, or from peer pressure or whatever) then guys looking for old style babeshows are going to lose something they love completely. Potentially for good.
That is the criticism.
In contrast, we old style punters say what the babes forging these latest changes hate: That the babeshows are DEFINED by the free-to-air stream and its relationship to paid interaction. And that every step we've seen along the current path - each removing something from the strength of the fta element - weakens the USP of the shows in the eyes of many payers. Worst of all, it creates a troubling competition for where we're all being taken; for what future shows will look like.
So, to these babes, we're not saying you shouldn't do what you do; we're talking to the operators essentially. We're saying: Make the fuck sure you retain some of the old style shows and services as well as indulging these babes every time!
* For some of the worst proponents, it's once they step away from a TV shift!
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - Spike1876 - 11-07-2022 21:00
As one of the "old style" punters, I agree. I'm spending less and less on the channels because most of the time i look in on someone i like, there's a paywall*...
*lack of banter doesn't help either (I'm not a freeloader thank you very much)
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - Rake - 11-07-2022 21:19
(11-07-2022 20:26 )ShandyHand Wrote:(02-07-2022 22:22 )The tiny giant Wrote: ...I've got no problems what so ever in a channel babe being behind a paywall and earning money as it is there livelihood...
After all, and let's be honest here, the vast majority of these babes don't intended to recreate studio style shows behind an online paywall. They've no intention of doing old style shows there.
This is my biggest problem with "at home" and paywall. More often than not one is paying through the nose for less! You are paying a paywall rolling credit drain to experience what is very often atrocious technical standards - terrible lighting, very cheap quality webcams, low bandwidth/resolution internet, amateurish camera angles and framing. Babes who are dynamite in the Studio suddenly at home seem to instantly forget how to pose seductively, let alone erotically.
Don't get me started on the paywall Premium but "no face" brigade...
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - ryuken - 13-07-2022 13:55
Charlie C does all her webshows behind a paywall.
Just like Ashley Emma never does FTA shows anymore.
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - thor - 23-07-2022 12:19
I woke up a 3 a.m. last night (or is it this morning?) and could not get back to sleep. So I went downstairs, turned on my lap top and tuned into the babeshows.
Why did I bother! There were four girls on: one was doing a private show, 2 were covered in tats and the fourth went private after a couple of minutes.
I went back to bed.
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - Doddle - 23-07-2022 14:00
Next time, just get a drink of water.
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - thor - 13-08-2022 20:50
Anyone worth watching tonight?
Nope, I thought not.
But I don't care because my team won today.
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - Tumble_Drier - 13-08-2022 21:55
(23-07-2022 14:00 )Doddle Wrote: Next time, just get a drink of water.
And keep the laptop upstairs, it'll save wasting the energy required to go downstairs.
Viz Top Tips have nothing on this place
RE: Babeshows - General Chat & Discussion - thor - 14-08-2022 10:01
I'm so grateful for all the advice I'm getting.
It's nice to know people care!