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RE: US Election & Presidency - Slabhead - 18-10-2020 21:07
(18-10-2020 18:48 )Goodfella3041 Wrote: He's the President of the United States. Not the President of People Who Voted for Him.
It is a product of the Constitution -- and the precedent set by 44 other holders of the office -- that the President has at least four roles. He is the head of his party; he holds executive powers; he is the commander in chief; and he is the Head of State. As such he combines some of the functions of, say, our Prime Minister, and others that are closer to the Queen's.
In the first two roles, I don't begrudge him fighting his corner and advancing the agenda he campaigned on -- however much I disagree with it. Elections have consequences and all that. But I do think that the latter two roles require him to take some of the heat out of the rhetoric and make at least some attempt to unify the country that he leads.
I get the whole argument that politics is division and I've no problem with vigorous debate and disagreement. There will be winners and losers. But it doesn't have to be bloodsport all the time. Most Americans broadly agree on most things. All the unnecessary rancor is exhausting. I don't have TDS -- I have Trump fatigue.
I think that's why COVID will be the thing that ultimately ended this presidency.
He was not the man for the moment. It's revealed him to be the small, angry, mean-spirited, narcissistic man that he really is. He's all 'me, me, me' at a time when the country needed someone to say, 'we, we, we.'
I think you said a while back: if Obama was so great, how did it lead to Trump? (Or something to that effect). And there is something in that. Obama must have failed in some respect if he created a situation that allowed the Republican party to be hijacked by its own Tea Party wing.
But the same will have to be asked if Biden wins. Because, candidly, I don't think Biden is a strong candidate. I don't even think he'll serve two terms. He's just an off-ramp from the path to nowhere that Trump is taking the country.
No one has the luxury of civil words and niceties in politics right now. The Democrats and the left in general brought suspicion and resentment on themselves by embracing identity politics and social justice nonsense that is eating away at the heart of institutions in the US and across the West. The people who have injected this poisonous brand of politics into the land of individual liberty and freedom where the nation fought vigorously to bring slavery to an end and fought the Nazis, these identitarians need to be sent back to the gates of hell. This isn't the left, the principled left. This is a perversion of the left. Fuck them. Who is Joe Biden? He is Clinton 2.0 who the Americans already rejected, who worked under Obama who was followed by Trump because people clearly didn't think the Obama/Biden/Clinton years were good enough. Why go back to Biden? He is indeed a weak candidate but it goes more than that. Anyone who believes in the founding principles of America should vote Trump over Biden every single time because of the nasty indetiarian politics he will bring into the White House.
RE: US Election & Presidency - Slabhead - 18-10-2020 21:19
(18-10-2020 19:05 )lovebabes56 Wrote: Trump is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kbo8pUDcHQ&feature=emb_logo
And he has been on HELL of a naughty boy!! I would no be surprised if we witness the decline of the United States as a world power if Trump wins. If Trump thinks he has friends around the world now, i think they will drift away in November and he'll have one hell of a battle to keep the US together as one nation and if he can't, that won't be good not only for the Western world but for the world as whole.
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He just brokered a peace deal between Israel and the UAE (which is going to be followed by other Arab countries). He did more for the Middle East than Obama did in 8 years. America's standing in the world is as strong as its ever been. He's been very careful not to start new wars. Libya was a fucking disaster for Obama but his deluded fanboys will never bring that up, an intervention with such disgusting consequences that makes Trump's minor misdemeanours look like a kid scribbling on the wall.
The Western world is really just the US, Australia and possibly Britain (we're still looking both ways) at this point. The US isn't looking any sleep over what Europe thinks lol. Everyone knows Europe is a joke that produces nothing and relies entirely on American protection lol.
RE: US Election & Presidency - SecretAgent - 18-10-2020 21:23
^ So you are against equal rights, a woman’s right to choose, LGBTQ rights, equal pay, access to healthcare for all, the right to vote without discrimination, black lives matter etc. Wow you really do have problems because those are not exclusively left wing political ideals but basic common decency which decent people of all political persuasions can and do support.
Oh by the way if you keep having to try to defend your comments by saying they are banter then guess what - they are not.
RE: US Election & Presidency - SecretAgent - 18-10-2020 21:28
^^ You seem to be having a problem with the facts Slabhead. Israel has never been at war with UAE so whatever Trump wants to call it “peace deal” is not what it was.
RE: US Election & Presidency - sweetsugar007 - 18-10-2020 21:30
(18-10-2020 21:19 )Slabhead Wrote:(18-10-2020 19:05 )lovebabes56 Wrote: Trump is not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kbo8pUDcHQ&feature=emb_logo
And he has been on HELL of a naughty boy!! I would no be surprised if we witness the decline of the United States as a world power if Trump wins. If Trump thinks he has friends around the world now, i think they will drift away in November and he'll have one hell of a battle to keep the US together as one nation and if he can't, that won't be good not only for the Western world but for the world as whole.
He just brokered a peace deal between Israel and the UAE (which is going to be followed by other Arab countries). He did more for the Middle East than Obama did in 8 years. America's standing in the world is as strong as its ever been. He's been very careful not to start new wars. Libya was a fucking disaster for Obama but his deluded fanboys will never bring that up, an intervention with such disgusting consequences that makes Trump's minor misdemeanours look like a kid scribbling on the wall.
The Western world is really just the US, Australia and possibly Britain (we're still looking both ways) at this point. The US isn't looking any sleep over what Europe thinks lol. Everyone knows Europe is a joke that produces nothing and relies entirely on American protection lol.
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The reality is the brand of politics which Trump promotes is insular,divisive lacks any real identity and is totally self serving. His election is purely down to the exceptionally poor campaign executed by Hilary Clinton.
Trump stands for the sort of Nationalist policies which saw this planet fight Two World Wars.
Anyone who believes he represents the way forward tends to be a little too Right leaning if you get my drift.He is there purely because the Democrats are a shambles at the moment. Much the way we have that buffoon in charge at no.10 if we even had a competent opposition at the time we would have been in a better place.
However the beauty about Politics is we all have our views no one is right or wrong it’s just our view.
RE: US Election & Presidency - Slabhead - 18-10-2020 21:33
(18-10-2020 21:23 )SecretAgent Wrote: ^ So you are against equal rights, a woman’s right to choose, LGBTQ rights, equal pay, access to healthcare for all, the right to vote without discrimination, black lives matter etc. Wow you really do have problems because those are not exclusively left wing political ideals but basic common decency which decent people of all political persuasions can and do support.
Oh by the way if you keep having to try to defend your comments by saying they are banter then guess what - they are not.
I'm for equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome. I'm for individual liberty. Black Lives Matter as an organisation is disgusting. As a message it brings valid suspecion because underprivileged working class white people can easily say, well what about us? Don't our lives matter when you push for 'positive' discrimination and all that identitarians nonsense? See what I mean when I say this kind of politics is rancid? Damn right I'm against BLM. All lives matter. Cry me a river if someone finds that offensive.
RE: US Election & Presidency - Slabhead - 18-10-2020 21:37
(18-10-2020 21:28 )SecretAgent Wrote: ^^ You seem to be having a problem with the facts Slabhead. Israel has never been at war with UAE so whatever Trump wants to call it “peace deal” is not what it was.
The UAE like almost every other Arab country has been at war with Israel, most of them in all but name out of solidarity with the Palestinians.
RE: US Election & Presidency - Slabhead - 18-10-2020 22:13
(18-10-2020 21:30 )sweetsugar007 Wrote: The reality is the brand of politics which Trump promotes is insular,divisive lacks any real identity and is totally self serving. His election is purely down to the exceptionally poor campaign executed by Hilary Clinton.
Trump stands for the sort of Nationalist policies which saw this planet fight Two World Wars.
Anyone who believes he represents the way forward tends to be a little too Right leaning if you get my drift.He is there purely because the Democrats are a shambles at the moment. Much the way we have that buffoon in charge at no.10 if we even had a competent opposition at the time we would have been in a better place.
However the beauty about Politics is we all have our views no one is right or wrong it’s just our view.
You're naive and uninformed if you think Clinton lost merely because of a 'bad campaign'. She represented everything that ordinary Americans hate about career politicians. A completely uncharismatic person where it was no secret that she felt she had a divine right to become President. And the corruption, fucking hell she makes Trump look clean.
Learn some history before you dare put Trump in the same bracket as the fucking Nazis. Trump represents those who believe the nation state is a precious thing, and that the founding principles of the country are to be cherished. This makes him comparable to Nazis, how? I really want to know lmao.
And what a horrible thing to be, 'right leaning' lol. And your point?
RE: US Election & Presidency - The Silent Majority - 18-10-2020 22:22
(18-10-2020 21:19 )Slabhead Wrote: He just brokered a peace deal between Israel and the UAE
He brokered fuck all. He bribed the UAE with the supply of F35 stealth fighters.
RE: US Election & Presidency - southsidestu - 18-10-2020 23:02
You don't have to pay attention to the polls or the mainstream media to know that things are not going well for the Trump campaign. You just need to look at Trump himself to know that all is not well.
It is known that Trump is doing badly with Suburban Woman, a key demographic, even he knows it, which is why at a rally the other day he literally flat out said "Suburban Women please like me". Which was honest to god hilarious it put him on a par with Jeb Bush's famous please "please clap" line it was that pathetic. It's kind of ironic, Trump has spent his life degrading, objectifying & allegedly assaulting woman but woman have made The Don their cuck.
Then of course there is all the time he has spent saying that the only way that they are going to lose the election is if it's rigged & talking about mail in voting & voter fraud, you know who talks like that? A loser
Now there have been numerous studies that have shown that voter fraud in the United States in practically non existent, including one carried out by The Trump Administration itself that found no evidence of widespread fraud but even if you are the kind of person who likes their political info free of all that fact nonsense then all you have to do is again go by The President himself. Whilst Trump has repeatedly denounced mail in voting as fraudulent, a lie, he has said that absentee balloting is fine, when they are they exact same thing. The man practically tells us point blank that he is feeding us shit & yet his supporters eat it & say yum like the gullible little cucks that they are
And we know that he considers Biden a threat because that is why he asked the Ukrainian President to look into Hunter Biden, you don't ask the head of government of a foreign nation to dig up dirt on a potential rival if you think you can beat them easily. Unfortunately for Donny the Ukrainian Prosecutor General found no evidence in regards to Hunter Biden.
His own actions are that of a man who believes he is losing