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RE: Ofcom Discussion - tonkpils - 29-05-2011 21:44
(04-05-2011 13:15 )quiquems Wrote: I have never understood ofcom, they have to see what happens in other countries.
Fortunately, i live in a country where there is no censorship.
Ofcom looks, this is Spain.
Last night, Freeview unencrypted.
spain is a particular case apart... on Hispasat there were at least 2 channels showing porn after midnight...
btw, the latest night show before midnight are as hot as evelyn's shows on the pad a year ago... almost...
let's sign a petition online or something to really react... there must be a way to make our voice listened...
RE: Ofcom Discussion - StanTheMan - 29-05-2011 23:16
(29-05-2011 21:44 )tonkpils Wrote: btw, the latest night show before midnight are as hot as evelyn's shows on the pad a year ago... almost...
I'm confused. Which Evelyn shows are you referring to, tonkpils. I don't recall anything on the pad ever being as explicit as the European babeshows.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - mikedafc - 30-05-2011 11:23
What the babe channels should do is claim to Ofcom that their shows are educational!! It works for channel 4 with their sex education and that live clinic programme both shown on or before 9pm watershed!!
RE: Ofcom Discussion - mrmann - 30-05-2011 14:49
(30-05-2011 11:23 )mikedafc Wrote: What the babe channels should do is claim to Ofcom that their shows are educational!! It works for channel 4 with their sex education and that live clinic programme both shown on or before 9pm watershed!!
I agree. If Ofcom doesn't have an issue with sex shows teaching us how to properly lick someone's anus, as well as inserting a dildo into an anus, then there should be no problem with the babe channels teaching us how to properly have a 2-4-1 and masturbate. Surely Ofcom can understand this, and will agree with it. Tonight should be that night, so here's hoping the babe channels try this approach, because this is what Ofcom allows.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - tonkpils - 30-05-2011 22:06
(29-05-2011 23:16 )StanTheMan Wrote:(29-05-2011 21:44 )tonkpils Wrote: btw, the latest night show before midnight are as hot as evelyn's shows on the pad a year ago... almost...
I'm confused. Which Evelyn shows are you referring to, tonkpils. I don't recall anything on the pad ever being as explicit as the European babeshows.
http://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=21230&page=11
the months of july and august were very nice for Evelyn's fans... she was doing her best on the pad.
if you see today, the girls before midnight are wearing what she was wearing during dayshows... and are barely showing nude...
RE: Ofcom Discussion - SYBORG666 - 31-05-2011 16:55
As i've mentioned before, i've written a letter to 10 Downing Street and i've said in the letter:
Why are you making cuts in the frontline forces ie, Police, NHS, Fire Brigade and the Armed Forces, but you are continuing to use taxpayers money to fund Ofcom, who are spending more time and money on fining and punishing channels for showing material that is expected to be shown and letting other channels that have a wider audience, get away with it. I've also served time in the Army in which i've done a tour of duty in both Afghanistan and Kosovo until I got medically discharged in 2002 after getting shot in Afghanistan.
They were the key points I made in the letter and i'm still waiting for a detailed reply but not going to hold breath, but be assured that I will tell everyone on this forum what the response was (if I get one) as soon as possible.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - mrmann - 31-05-2011 17:38
(31-05-2011 16:55 )SYBORG666 Wrote: As i've mentioned before, i've written a letter to 10 Downing Street and i've said in the letter:
Why are you making cuts in the frontline forces ie, Police, NHS, Fire Brigade and the Armed Forces, but you are continuing to use taxpayers money to fund Ofcom, who are spending more time and money on fining and punishing channels for showing material that is expected to be shown and letting other channels that have a wider audience, get away with it. I've also served time in the Army in which i've done a tour of duty in both Afghanistan and Kosovo until I got medically discharged in 2002 after getting shot in Afghanistan.
They were the key points I made in the letter and i'm still waiting for a detailed reply but not going to hold breath, but be assured that I will tell everyone on this forum what the response was (if I get one) as soon as possible.
Nice point made, and you are right. They make cuts to things of importance, yet nothing is done to Ofcom who acts in hypocritical ways and is for the most part an unnecessary regulator. Like you say, Ofcom punishes the channels that they can get money from, yet gives the other channels a free ride and pretend that the sexual content on them is more appropriate and educational.
I don't mind Ofcom regulating what is shown before the watershed, and I don't mind if they ban the more twisted fetish stuff from TV, but they are way too harsh on full frontal nudity and sex, when it comes to the 900 channels.
RE: Ofcom Discussion - SYBORG666 - 31-05-2011 19:48
Like you said mrmann, I can understand having a regulator to make sure that vulnerable people aren't exposed to genuinely offensive material but how full frontal nudity on the 900s is offensive is beyond me. I think if Ofcom had seen the things that i've seen, then they would understand that nudity is the norm.
I can't say that i've seen anything that is truly offensive on tv but then again I have been in two conflicts, which i've seen 5 of my mates either killed by sniper fire or an I.E.D explosion. The only thing that i've seen that even comes close to offensive material is that film "The Human Centipede". At the same time the watershed is there, so material of an adult nature can be shown.
What exactly are the ofcom rules and regs? - HypnoToad - 01-06-2011 02:11
I only ask as there does seem to be quite a bit of hostility towards ofcom on here, so is there a place where I can check out what exactly the rules/guidelines that these channels have to stick to in order to see exactly what all the fuss is about?
Thanks.
RE: What exactly are the ofcom rules and regs? - Gold Plated Pension - 01-06-2011 22:08
(01-06-2011 02:11 )HypnoToad Wrote: I only ask as there does seem to be quite a bit of hostility towards ofcom on here, so is there a place where I can check out what exactly the rules/guidelines that these channels have to stick to in order to see exactly what all the fuss is about?
Thanks.
Hell will freeze over before Ofc@m post all the supplementary guidance that they have imposed on the Babechannels on their website.
Since Ofc@m were established in December 2003 from five previous regulatory bodies, the Broadcasting Standards Commission, Independent Television Commission, the Office of Telecommunications, the Radio Communications Agency and the Radio Authority the Babechannels have been subject to (strangled with) compliance with various Broadcasting Codes.
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/broadcasting/broadcast-codes/
Following a ruling in the European Court of Justice concerning the use of premium rate telephone calls to a quiz show such shows were classified as 'teleshopping' and this decision had to be implemented throughout the european community.
http://merlin.obs.coe.int/iris/2008/1/article2.en.html
Ofc@m consulted and the Babechannels are now regulated, since September 2010, as advertising (teleshopping), and are no longer treated as editorial material. This means that all their output must comply with the BCAP Code which had to be amended to allow such channels to broadcast 'free to air' subject to certain conditions.
The BCAP code
http://www.bcap.org.uk/The-Codes/BCAP-Code.aspx
Published guidance from Ofc@m to Babechannels.
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/broadcast/guidance/bcap-guidance.pdf
Regulatory Statement
http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binaries/consultations/participationtv3/statement/statement.pdf
Ofcom has provided additional guidance to industry and to Licensees directly on compliance with the relevant codes on a number of occasions, in particular:
Compliance Guidance
• 23 April 2009 (e-mail guidance to the Licensees);
• 28 April 2009 (e-mail guidance to the Licensees);
• 6 July 2009 (Guidance note published in Broadcast Bulletin);
• 3 August 2009 (Letter of guidance to adult sex chat broadcasters);
• 6 November 2009 (Letter of guidance to the Licensees);
• 3 December 2009 (meeting with the Licensees);
• 8 January 2010 (letter of Guidance to the Licensees); and
• 21 January 2010 (meeting with the Licensees).
Further guidance was issued on the 17th December 2010 following the revocation of the 4 licenses held by Bang Media London Ltd and Bang Channels Ltd. This guidance pushed the 'watershed' time for breast exposure back to 10pm and full nudity to 11pm along with additional restrictions concerning clothing, movement etc.
All of the above guidance and minutes of meetings are NOT available on Ofc@m's website. These pieces of guidance supplement the BCAP code and should be freely available for prospective Babechannel operators.
This regulator states that they are fully compliant with best practice as laid down by the Department of Business, Inovation and Skills as well as complying with Better Regulation principles identified in the Hampton and Macrory reports.
http://www.bis.gov.uk/policies/better-regulation/reviewing-regulation/improving-compliance-among-businesses
Ofcom is under a duty to have regard, in all cases, to “the principles under which regulatory activities should be transparent, accountable, proportionate, consistent and targeted only at cases in which action is needed” and “any other principles appearing to OFCOM to represent the best regulatory practice”.
The Statutory Code of Practice for Regulators, which has government approval, is based on best regulatory practice but has not been adopted by Ofc@m, need i say anymore. In contempt of their own sponsor and central government.
http://www.berr.gov.uk/files/file45019.pdf
Nuff said.