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RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - HannahsPet - 05-06-2016 07:39
So today its either leave and have higher mortgage payments or stay and get gangraped by migrants great debate
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - lovebabes56 - 05-06-2016 09:32
The more rubbish put out by those debating the issue the more comical and farcical the whole debate comes.. when will they put out serious and totally relevant information that tells us the proper and right facts for both side of the argument so that when the time comes to vote, I can make the right decision, but wonder if any votes will be cast at all if they continue the debate in the current fashion
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - lovebabes56 - 05-06-2016 09:37
(05-06-2016 07:39 )HannahsPet Wrote: So today its either leave and have higher mortgage payments or stay and get gangraped by migrants great debate
Either way I bet the only people in this country who actually will feel any bloody benefits will be the bankers - as usual!!
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - sandals1963 - 05-06-2016 09:47
Some postal votes already been sent in so they are all arguing to an ever diminishing pool of potential voters......
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - sweetsugar007 - 05-06-2016 10:31
(05-06-2016 09:32 )babelover48 Wrote: The more rubbish put out by those debating the issue the more comical and farcical the whole debate comes.. when will they put out serious and totally relevant information that tells us the proper and right facts for both side of the argument so that when the time comes to vote, I can make the right decision, but wonder if any votes will be cast at all if they continue the debate in the current fashion
The problem with Referendum voting is you ultimately cannot hold anyone to account. Unlike a normal election if the party does not deliver against its manifesto you just kick them out but with this either party can say whatever they like with no consequence.
As long as the debate continues to circle around immigration then there is a real chance we can end up leaving. The debate is so much wider than that. I am very pro Europe I love the mx of cultures and the ability to get up and decide to live pretty much whete I want. But there are problems and the lack of a plan on the migrant crisis ( in essence bung Turkey a load of cash so they can stay there indefinitely) means the charter has to change regarding the movement of people otherwise the UK, France and Germany the richest nations in the community will take the brunt of these new arrivals.
The EU can work but it looks like the tail (nations that have little impact economically is wagging the dog)
Just an initial view.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - lovebabes56 - 05-06-2016 10:43
^I wish you could bring someone to account when it comes to a referendum vote
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - Doddle - 05-06-2016 12:39
(05-06-2016 09:47 )sandals1963 Wrote: Some postal votes already been sent in so they are all arguing to an ever diminishing pool of potential voters......I've sent mine in
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - skully - 05-06-2016 13:09
Sent mine IN too, arrived Friday, sent Saturday.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - wackawoo - 05-06-2016 13:58
(05-06-2016 10:31 )sweetsugar007 Wrote: As long as the debate continues to circle around immigration then there is a real chance we can end up leaving. The debate is so much wider than that. I am very pro Europe I love the mx of cultures and the ability to get up and decide to live pretty much whete I want. But there are problems and the lack of a plan on the migrant crisis ( in essence bung Turkey a load of cash so they can stay there indefinitely) means the charter has to change regarding the movement of people otherwise the UK, France and Germany the richest nations in the community will take the brunt of these new arrivals.
Britain is and always has been multicultural, you don't need to be in the EU for that.
The only way it can be worse for Britian leaving the EU is trade, and I personally have never once seen any explanation as to why trade with the EU would be massively affected, America, China, Korea and all the other none European countries trade with the EU quite happily, so does Norway.
Free movement across Europe IS going to see mass migratioin from poor member states to rich ones, why wouldn't it? I know I would move if it was me. Not only will this put an extra strain on the rich coutries it will also only debilitated poor countries even more.
RE: Europe..IN or OUT?? - misterG - 05-06-2016 14:21
I applaud John Majors comments announcing the exit campaign was "deceitful, untrue, depressing, awful and verging on the squalid" -
Headline - Boris Johnson & Michael Gove are liars that can't be trusted - like we didn't already know!
But in the interests of honesty and fairness he should also have said the stay campaign is "deceitful, untrue, depressing, awful and verging on the squalid" and that Cameron & Osborne are liars that can't be trusted either - like we don't already know that too.
But the bit that was omitted was that these comments were made by the Prime Minister who signed the Maastricht Treaty - An act that if done at any time in British history except in the last 60 years would have seen him hanged for treason.
And he only signed it after he'd persuaded them to remove all mention of the phrase 'Federal Europe' because he knew the truth wouldn't be acceptable to the British People - so that makes John Major "deceitful, untrue, depressing, awful and verging on the squalid" too, just like the rest of them.