+- The UK Babe Channels Forum (https://www.babeshows.co.uk)
+-- Forum: Channels (/forumdisplay.php?fid=8)
+--- Forum: UK Babe Channels (/forumdisplay.php?fid=9)
+---- Forum: Calling The Channels (/forumdisplay.php?fid=409)
+---- Thread: The Psychology of the Spend (/showthread.php?tid=83099)
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - ShandyHand - 07-04-2021 09:26
I've been meaning to take up Dazzler's posts on page 6 of this thread as a nice lead into areas of the psychology of the spend not yet discussed here. The first of these is how we are influenced by the ease and simplistic practicalities of website use. Mostly, this is the operators using our sense of their sites 'working well' (section 3 in my O.P.) in order to ease and encourage interactions. Essentially, the slicker the site's operation the more likely we are to enjoy the overall experience and return for more.
When looking in detail at this topic we might consider how it begins with the very basics: How much easier it feels to spend by credit card than via cash. Card purchases of all types have been shown to be generally more implusive ones than those made with cash due to a couple of factors. (And what can be more implusive than spends based on the buyer's horniness or physical attraction to what he is 'purchasing'!) Primarily, there's the lack of the pysical action of turning over something of substance to another party. Then other elements come into it if we use a credit card: A credit limit can bestow a sense of wealth we might otherwise might not feel. And the act of actually paying can be staved off. The 'leaving it for another day' is an obvious well known temptation towards spending.
Of course, the shows have always tried to make the process of giving over our cash as painless as they could make it. Ask any old time caller how the habit of picking up the phone was easy because the eventual bill felt remote; placed at some semi-distant point in the future by the perodical nature of the eventual bill. It's the same for most of us these days with our credit card statements; the lines of multiple itemisations are not to be worried about as they are in the future not the exciting NOW! Imagine how much more real and hard fought our spends would be if we were handing over real notes from our wallets for instant despatch to the babes. In reality everything is designed to lessen the sense of value and size behind the figures involved in order to lubricate the flow of lucre.
Then too consider how much easier it is to spend on a streamlined effortless (in theory) website than going to a bricks and morture building. (The utter convience of readily available personal adult interaction is THE huge selling point of the shows; we put aside its virtual nature - less and less of an objection anyway when so much of life is lived virtually these days - because it IS so accessible and simple.)
Finally, on top of all these usual e-commerce 'benefits', there's how much easier it feels to use our site credits once we've already purchased them. The original intent here is to disguise the pounds and pence invested by refering to them in terms of Monopoly money type tokens as much as possible.* This further distances us from the realities of the situation, the transactional nature of the shows and in particular the act of cash leaving our bank accounts - a lubricating disassociation. Credits are even given an - entirely arbitary - ten times value to make us feel wealthier than we are!
By the time of us clicking to turn over these credits to a particular babe, the shows have already won btw. They already have our money. But to us it feels as if we are still to spend because we love that latter 'business' end of the operation not the initial part.
The fact is, this two fold nature of spending credits on the shows is itself a manipulation; with the operator benefiting at both ends: Giving up our money a bit at a time feels less of a blow than a 'gone in one' transaction. And the healthier credit balance that comes after a top up grants us the illusion that the money is still in our hands. A largely deceptive and powerful sense of control is envoked in the user to boot.
The distancing of monetary transaction and show interaction can thus be seen as another distinct tactic of the channels. It is entirely in the operator and babe's favour to make the two things feel very different to the user. The aim is to make the turning over of credits to a babe feel as free and easy as possible; the credit's relationship to your actual cash clouded and spaced by the processes involved. You're just advising them how to divide up your spends by the end of it after all! (We take it entirely on trust that they will do this correctly btw; even to the point of most of us being unsure of exactly how much of our credits will go to the babe in question.*) Our benefactor largesse of that point (even though, as I've said, the money involved is no longer ours) makes the final divestment to the individual babe incline towards an almost throwaway gesture at times... something we can do as if the amounts involved are not real almost.
Only after multiple interactions are we meant to contemplate that our leverage has now been depleted and a top up is required to continue the rush/fun. (That's assuming you haven't allowed them to make it even more streamlined 'for you' by enabling auto top ups. Or 'mainlining your bank account' as I like to term it!
) When low on credits we crave the return of that sense of control we enjoyed previously and there is only one way to bring that back of course. (Note to operators: The sites miss a trick whenever outdated or poorly thought through tech limits our sense of control in any way.) Even when it comes to the interacting itself things like the positioning and colours of the click buttons are thought to be an influence on us. As too, of course, is the peer pressure that can come from the chat box (although that is a different section in my O.P.'s heirachy).
* Tbf, recent changes seem to have brought about more honesty to this aspect. The babes in particular talk of £ figures more than previously was the case. I suspect this is mostly because they are unfamilar or can't be bothered with the o.g. tactic.
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - ShandyHand - 07-04-2021 09:28
The second topic Dazzler's posts raise is how we react to the promotional offers and marketing tricks of the operators. (Of course, babes use various psychological manipulations of their own during their interactions with us. These too are forms of marketing. But that's probably a topic for another post.)
This aspect is perhaps best examined with a look at the phrase we see a lot of in this regard: "Free money!" How bluntly enticing are those two words?! The shows certainly know the value therein - that's for sure. All of those promotional offers of the sort Dazzler describes play to the power of the phrase. The idea is to blind us with the sparkiliness of the beneficial side of the deal while making us overlook exactly how big it is we have to spend in order to get the half decent 'freebie'.
Then even if we get the deal, we forgot the insiders set the value of what our freshly traded magic beans can get for us! They are the Bank of England over the bean market here! And so, miracolously, we might well find all fantasy land's prices are suddenly slightly higher in the aftermath of the offer we have plumped for! Funny that... Always remember: The insiders have entire charge of the changeable rules of the game.
Consider too, what feels warrented to us in terms of these offers (our sense of "a good offer") is entirely subjective. It is certainly dependent on the size of the amount being asked for relative to our average top up spend for instance. Offers like this try to make us spend more obviously, as well as more often, so they will often pitch themselves just in front of typical average spends in order to attract that level of spend or spender. (Also the frequency with which an offer can be used comes into play. With BS - the major proponent of these kind of marketing tricks on the shows - the lower £50 top up bonus offers can usually by used more often by an individual than the those requiring a £200 spend. The liability to BS's coffers per customer is rarely much different however.)
VIP memberships are an additional layer to the marketing push - this time more squarely aimed at keeping a punter associated with the operator site and needing to feel value from his monthly spend (i.e. inclined to use those credits sooner rather than later).
Prices throughout the sites are also pitched to both stimulate demand (not too high clearly but also not too low either because something must be WORTH it if they are asking a lot for it right?!) and with an eye to making site/show use habitual.
Meanwhile, babes use vague excuses like "all babes are different" to resist any more specific standardisation in prices that might help a punter evaluate one babe against another.
Repeat consumption is always the operator and babes main aim - customer retention over finding new ones. (In any business, the latter is notoriously difficult compared to the former.) So the vast majority of their efforts will be in that direction.
What the operators know only too well is "The more you use the shows the more likely you are to continue your use". (Hence why having a strong roster of babes is so import to the channels. They want an individual to succumb to spending on more than one babe at a time to push this along.) Any 'encouraging' requirement to top up regularly (such as that recently introduced by 66) plays to that also because after each top up we need to consume (interact) again in order to feel the value in the money we've just spent. (It's a kind of back door VIP sub without the benefits to the punter if you think of it.)
All that I've outlined in these two posts is very tactically inclined towards creating a circle of addictive implusive spending in the punter... only 'the product' must feel satisfactory to us in order to complete the circle in the optimal manner. That of course is the truly tricky bit to get right!
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - The tiny giant - 07-04-2021 23:27
Thank you for these two last threads from shandyhand. I do know a few very rich people and they won't give anyone anything but if they could sell you the time of day then they would. These sentences have always stuck with me not sure in why. Ur money is better in your account than anybody else's. If anyone can buy land even if it's a big muddy hole then buy it because someone will buy it from u for more than u paid for it. If Ur doing things for free then stop doing it. Some of us customers think that our money helps these babes out. To an extent it does but really we are paying for a service from whoever we are watching and passing our money over to them. I've heard a channel babe break down in what she gets per show which I found amazing because she didn't have to say this. Tips, buzzes, pervcam,private, it's 50/50 between the channel and channel babe they get less for phone chat because of the charges of the phone provider and other cost. They only get paid if they do studio shows not home cam shows. It's really easy just to keep topping up credits because it's not a pile of money in front of that person it's out of sight out of mind sort of thing. If it was in front of that person they wouldn't spend it s quickly and they would use the smaller bank notes first not the bigger notes. It's a psychology thing we know more about something we can see than something that we don't. The other thing is when topping up has that person tapped the tick but not realised that they touch it in which it automatically keeps topping up the account until that person thinks why am I still allowed to be doing this. Or there bank account has no more money in it from Dazzler
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - nf-t fan - 21-05-2021 23:37
What ever the psychology is. That guy ad0310 spends a crap load on Jess West. Wow! Just look at Babestation's weekly leaderboard. Hey, if you can afford it, why not. And he obviously can. Jess West I am sure is loving it also.
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - The tiny giant - 22-05-2021 01:05
Best of luck to any person who wants to spend there money on whatever I hope that they have all the enjoyment that there money brings them as well. as a teenager I got addicted to playing fruit machines and lasted to my mid 20s in later life and I think many other people may do this I look back and work out roughly in what I sort of lost in money over the years. in which I wonder in how many big spenders or people that have been around these channels have thought the same. But it's very understandable in pouring money into something for little gain. What does a top tipper win at the end of that day,week, or month yeah probably has seen some of the best shows going no one is going to tell him or anyone else to stop or slow down in there spending this is a learning curve that no one can advise anyone else not To do as it's there money and there business. I bet if everyone had the money that these people seem to be able to shell out on shows I bet they wouldn't be putting as much as these punters are doing because we are on the outside looking in and seeing there mistakes that we hope we don't do or we have done from Dazzler
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - gazcraw77 - 22-05-2021 11:23
I learned my lesson about spending the hard way, at start of pandemic last year, getting hooked on Nicole doing shows from home, and just tipping stupidly.
*rookie mistakes, that was my first time getting into that world as it were, so stepped back had a word with myself and happy just to watch nowadays (and tip now and again) ha ha
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - The Silent Majority - 23-05-2021 19:30
(21-05-2021 23:37 )nf-t fan Wrote: What ever the psychology is. That guy ad0310 spends a crap load on Jess West. Wow! Just look at Babestation's weekly leaderboard. Hey, if you can afford it, why not. And he obviously can. Jess West I am sure is loving it also.
Yeah maybe. He's killing her shows for other people though.
And she's aware of that too, judging by her efforts lately to try and get other people involved.
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - ai1234 - 23-05-2021 20:23
(21-05-2021 23:37 )nf-t fan Wrote: What ever the psychology is. That guy ad0310 spends a crap load on Jess West. Wow! Just look at Babestation's weekly leaderboard. Hey, if you can afford it, why not. And he obviously can. Jess West I am sure is loving it also.
can he?
I'm sure it's pointed out elsewhere but the babeshows are basically gambling/casino websites without the regulation on spend.
It's ironic that the perceived harm they do is in their adult nature (see threads ad nausum on OFCOM).
They should introduce the ability to limit spend but instead introduced a spin the wheel game for the VIP members that gives occassional 10% free for 24hrs to... introduce anxiety and encourage spending... sorry reward members.
The babeshows feed off addiction, anxiety and perceived reward. That's the psychology of the spend.
Of course the response is that it's personal choice / responsibility but I've always felt that this misses the point.
Funnily enough once you recognise this you can enjoy the channels for what they are
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - The tiny giant - 23-05-2021 23:14
(22-05-2021 11:23 )gazcraw77 Wrote: I learned my lesson about spending the hard way, at start of pandemic last year, getting hooked on Nicole doing shows from home, and just tipping stupidly.Your not the first and you want be the last. the older watchers of these channels have wittness it all maybe even been in the same situation as u been we won't speak out on chatrooms as it will get u or anyone else into with the channel and the babe because it's there livelihood and it's a service. They advised at the beginning of night shows of adult content but you will never see them or hear them tell anyone in how much they can spent. And it's so easy to do as well as no one see this money as it goes from there account to the channel account. I do think there should be some thought of message these channels should put out just like the gambling adverts do know from Dazzler
*rookie mistakes, that was my first time getting into that world as it were, so stepped back had a word with myself and happy just to watch nowadays (and tip now and again) ha ha
RE: The Psychology of the Spend - nf-t fan - 24-05-2021 13:58
(23-05-2021 19:30 )The Silent Majority Wrote:(21-05-2021 23:37 )nf-t fan Wrote: What ever the psychology is. That guy ad0310 spends a crap load on Jess West. Wow! Just look at Babestation's weekly leaderboard. Hey, if you can afford it, why not. And he obviously can. Jess West I am sure is loving it also.
Yeah maybe. He's killing her shows for other people though.
And she's aware of that too, judging by her efforts lately to try and get other people involved.
TBH, nobody knows but him, that is his business. I'm sure she is trying to get more people involved, but I don't see her turning down 30,000 to 40,000 credits a week. She might just retire for good because of him, lol.