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RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - southsidestu - 24-02-2023 00:26
I never said it was your view i was talking about the debate in general which has focused largely on safety in single sex spaces, i also did address the issue of dropping the age to 16 yr olds
RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - lovebabes56 - 24-02-2023 08:02
Whatever happens in the leadership contest, could the gender bill have an effect on the next Scottish elections and would the SNP vote go down? I'm sitting on the fence on the leadership contest outcome but it does seem like it could become quite an interesting one to watch and keep an eye on. I think whoever wins will probably have a hell of job in convincing the populatiion of Scotland that the bill is necessary but I doubt Westminster would attempt to pull the section 35 trick a second time. In terms of Ms Forbes' comments I wonder if many ordinary Scots share the same views as hers, but in any case I do think many probably many probably think that they are views she should keep private.
RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - The Silent Majority - 24-02-2023 08:26
(24-02-2023 00:26 )southsidestu Wrote: I never said it was your view i was talking about the debate in general which has focused largely on safety in single sex spaces, i also did address the issue of dropping the age to 16 yr olds
Yes you did, in a very SNP-like way. "We know best and you should just do as we say and fall into line otherwise you're just a *insert appropriate insult here*".
Much like their referendum campaign that fell on it's arse.
What you, and they, don't seem to grasp, is that getting the bill into law isn't the end of it. If they can't find a way to carry public opinion with them on this (and I mean carry, not bully) then resentment against the bill will just fester and inevitably spill over into resentment against the Trans community.
The way the press, and the opposition, were tying Sturgeon in knots over the Isla Bryson thing is having the same effect. It's things like that, that feeds your narrative of minority groups being tarred with the same brush as the worst in society. And the governments inability to allay the genuine, even if misguided, fears the general public might have over the GRRB is just adding to it.
Imo the nature of the crime should have trumped everything, with Bryson, and it would have been a non-story.
RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - The Silent Majority - 24-02-2023 08:34
(24-02-2023 08:02 )lovebabes56 Wrote: In terms of Ms Forbes' comments I wonder if many ordinary Scots share the same views as hers, but in any case I do think many probably many probably think that they are views she should keep private.
Leaving aside the nature of Forbes' comments for a minute, it shows the hypocrisy of those in Parliament who backed her and then dropped her like she was on fire.
It's impossible to believe they didn't already know what her views were. Were they just hoping she'd keep her mouth shut till the campaign was over?
RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - lovebabes56 - 24-02-2023 08:47
Did I get the wrong Idea SM?
RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - Tumble_Drier - 24-02-2023 11:34
(24-02-2023 08:34 )The Silent Majority Wrote:(24-02-2023 08:02 )lovebabes56 Wrote: In terms of Ms Forbes' comments I wonder if many ordinary Scots share the same views as hers, but in any case I do think many probably many probably think that they are views she should keep private.
Leaving aside the nature of Forbes' comments for a minute, it shows the hypocrisy of those in Parliament who backed her and then dropped her like she was on fire.
It's impossible to believe they didn't already know what her views were. Were they just hoping she'd keep her mouth shut till the campaign was over?
Hypocrisy indeed.
A certain Ian Blackford is also a member of the Free Church of Scotland and it’s reasonable to assume he holds similar views yet he was allowed to head the SNP at Westminster without so much as a murmur.
RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - The Silent Majority - 24-02-2023 11:52
(24-02-2023 11:34 )Tumble_Drier Wrote: A certain Ian Blackford is also a member of the Free Church of Scotland and it’s reasonable to assume he holds similar views yet he was allowed to head the SNP at Westminster without so much as a murmur.
Ah, but he doesn't. Or so he says...
That's going to awkward next time he meets the minister.
RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - The Silent Majority - 24-02-2023 11:59
southsidestu, look away now...
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-leadership-contest-poll-of-snp-supporters-puts-kate-forbes-ahead-in-race-to-be-next-first-minister-4038861
RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - The Silent Majority - 24-02-2023 21:41
Ash Regan has finally broken cover.
Heard her being interviewed tonight. She's had a week to prepare for this launch and, wow, clueless doesn't cover it
She is undoubtedly, the Truss candidate
Oh God
RE: The State of the UK Union in 2022 - southsidestu - 25-02-2023 01:56
(24-02-2023 11:59 )The Silent Majority Wrote: southsidestu, look away now...
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/snp-leadership-contest-poll-of-snp-supporters-puts-kate-forbes-ahead-in-race-to-be-next-first-minister-4038861
That's a poll of voters not members
Sometimes governments should lead and not follow. Civil rights is one of those issues, woman, African Americans, Gay people suffered for decades waiting public opinion to catch up with what was right. Countries around the world had already done what was right, Spain has done it since Scotland tried, Germany will attempt it soon. As i said trans people are some of the most vulnerable in society, amongst those most likely to contemplate/commit suicide, human beings should not have to wait for public opinion to validate their existence and alleviate the enviroment that makes many of them want to end said existence. The right time to do the right thing is now.
Regan's interview here is excruciating, SM is spot in declaring her The Truss candidate. Interesting that she was introduces by Joanna Cherry who just recently declared that a de facto referendum would kill off independance for a generation: https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/joanna-cherry-de-facto-poll/
One can't help wonder if after 15 yrs of making them a juggernaught, Independance might do to The SNP what Europe, has done to the Tories
Some thoughts from Andrew Neil