Ofcom - Current Investigations

(18-12-2010 00:24 )eccles Wrote:  

(17-12-2010 22:34 )gator8 Wrote:  Night shows are starting a bit tamer than usual, as there's been no toplessness until exactly 10pm, even though the women are allowed to go topless at nine.

No topless allowed until after 10pm now.

They have always said there should be a gradual transition after the watershed, so toplessness at 9:01 has never been permitted. But they have never been arsed to say when it does become acceptable. 10pm when strong sex is permitted on PPV? 10:30 as set by the babeshow industry body as Watershed II for stronger content? Or guesswork? Personally Id be happy with 9:30, half an hour is plenty enough time to flip the channel over. But no, we get guesswork uncertainty and inconsistency.
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Yeah. Sad.

Just to clarify this is the new ofcom rules which I obtained this information from another forum and although the babe channels have been treated harshly it could have actually been a hell of a lot worse with only really the day shows being effected mostly. Full nudity is still allowed but only after 11PM.

NEW OFCOM RULES
Following Ofcom's removal of BangBabes' licences (Bangs currently transmit on Playboy licences), Ofcom this week asked all Babechannel licence holders to come see them.

Ofcom then set out new rules which they want all Babechannels to adhere to:

1 Clothing to be worn between 5:30am-9:00pm (Dresses, Hot Pants and Vest tops, Fantasy Costumes (Maid, Stewardess, Secretary etc). Lingerie under any of the above, but not uncovered lingerie.
2 No breasts fully exposed before 10pm. Implied topless acceptable.
3 No nudity before 11pm. A performer can be fully nude and use a static straight hand with straight fingers to cover themselves. Ofcom accepted that this does not constitute masturbation.

We and all other Channels have agreed to put this into effect by Friday.

Failure to do so could result in Ofcom licences being revoked - as they did to BangBabes.

(18-12-2010 22:11 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  NEW OFCOM RULES
Following Ofcom's removal of BangBabes' licences (Bangs currently transmit on Playboy licences), Ofcom this week asked all Babechannel licence holders to come see them.

Ofcom then set out new rules which they want all Babechannels to adhere to:

1 Clothing to be worn between 5:30am-9:00pm (Dresses, Hot Pants and Vest tops, Fantasy Costumes (Maid, Stewardess, Secretary etc). Lingerie under any of the above, but not uncovered lingerie.
2 No breasts fully exposed before 10pm. Implied topless acceptable.
3 No nudity before 11pm. A performer can be fully nude and use a static straight hand with straight fingers to cover themselves. Ofcom accepted that this does not constitute masturbation.

This is getting so ridiculous I'm starting to find it rather amusing. I wish they'd just pull the babeshows altogether if this is the (uttlery bizarre) new set of rules.

(18-12-2010 22:22 )StanTheMan Wrote:  

(18-12-2010 22:11 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  NEW OFCOM RULES
Following Ofcom's removal of BangBabes' licences (Bangs currently transmit on Playboy licences), Ofcom this week asked all Babechannel licence holders to come see them.

Ofcom then set out new rules which they want all Babechannels to adhere to:

1 Clothing to be worn between 5:30am-9:00pm (Dresses, Hot Pants and Vest tops, Fantasy Costumes (Maid, Stewardess, Secretary etc). Lingerie under any of the above, but not uncovered lingerie.
2 No breasts fully exposed before 10pm. Implied topless acceptable.
3 No nudity before 11pm. A performer can be fully nude and use a static straight hand with straight fingers to cover themselves. Ofcom accepted that this does not constitute masturbation.

This is getting so ridiculous I'm starting to find it rather amusing. I wish they'd just pull the babeshows altogether if this is the (uttlery bizarre) new set of rules.

They didn't say the women MUST cover themselves, only that they CAN, as long as it's a static hand and not masturbating.

(18-12-2010 23:42 )mrmann Wrote:  

(18-12-2010 22:22 )StanTheMan Wrote:  

(18-12-2010 22:11 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  NEW OFCOM RULES
Following Ofcom's removal of BangBabes' licences (Bangs currently transmit on Playboy licences), Ofcom this week asked all Babechannel licence holders to come see them.

Ofcom then set out new rules which they want all Babechannels to adhere to:

1 Clothing to be worn between 5:30am-9:00pm (Dresses, Hot Pants and Vest tops, Fantasy Costumes (Maid, Stewardess, Secretary etc). Lingerie under any of the above, but not uncovered lingerie.
2 No breasts fully exposed before 10pm. Implied topless acceptable.
3 No nudity before 11pm. A performer can be fully nude and use a static straight hand with straight fingers to cover themselves. Ofcom accepted that this does not constitute masturbation.

This is getting so ridiculous I'm starting to find it rather amusing. I wish they'd just pull the babeshows altogether if this is the (uttlery bizarre) new set of rules.

They didn't say the women MUST cover themselves, only that they CAN, as long as it's a static hand and not masturbating.

But if they get naked, why would they choose to cover themselves if they didn't have to?

You're correct, of course, Hazel had her bush out for most of her shift on 955 last night.

(19-12-2010 00:05 )StanTheMan Wrote:  

(18-12-2010 23:42 )mrmann Wrote:  

(18-12-2010 22:22 )StanTheMan Wrote:  

(18-12-2010 22:11 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  NEW OFCOM RULES
Following Ofcom's removal of BangBabes' licences (Bangs currently transmit on Playboy licences), Ofcom this week asked all Babechannel licence holders to come see them.

Ofcom then set out new rules which they want all Babechannels to adhere to:

1 Clothing to be worn between 5:30am-9:00pm (Dresses, Hot Pants and Vest tops, Fantasy Costumes (Maid, Stewardess, Secretary etc). Lingerie under any of the above, but not uncovered lingerie.
2 No breasts fully exposed before 10pm. Implied topless acceptable.
3 No nudity before 11pm. A performer can be fully nude and use a static straight hand with straight fingers to cover themselves. Ofcom accepted that this does not constitute masturbation.

This is getting so ridiculous I'm starting to find it rather amusing. I wish they'd just pull the babeshows altogether if this is the (uttlery bizarre) new set of rules.

They didn't say the women MUST cover themselves, only that they CAN, as long as it's a static hand and not masturbating.

But if they get naked, why would they choose to cover themselves if they didn't have to?

You're correct, of course, Hazel had her bush out for most of her shift on 955 last night.

True, as did other women

(18-12-2010 22:11 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  Just to clarify this is the new ofcom rules which I obtained this information from another forum and although the babe channels have been treated harshly it could have actually been a hell of a lot worse with only really the day shows being effected mostly. Full nudity is still allowed but only after 11PM.

Full nudity to me is when I can see a vagina. Covering a vagina is NOT full nudity.

Latest investigations by Ofcom.
I'm taking it that the investigation against RLL is for a daytime broadcast. Thats now five investigations in progress against this broadcaster following one or two complaints.
X-factor receives 1350 public complaints, will they be found in breach.


Up to 10 December 2010
Programme Channel Transmission Date Date Lodged

Red Light Lounge 40 n Naughty Saturday, 13 November 2010 15 November 2010

Up to 3 December 2010
No investigations against the babe channels

With this new guidance issued to all channels it would appear that Playboy have relaxed their stance against Bang Babes as Lucy is currently naked on 948.
I don't believe this new guidance has any standing in law as it breaches that that is already laid out in the Broadcasting Code/Advertising Code.
Nudity is allowed on television 24 hours a day. As eccles stated earlier, before the watershed nudity must be justified by the context. After the watershed the transition to more adult material must not be unduly abrupt at the watershed. For television, the strongest material should appear later in the schedule. (rule 1.6).
Any nudity broadcast after the watershed must not contain images of a strong or explicit nature, (rule 1.19) otherwise it must be justified by context again.
Ofcom have issued specific guidance on these rules

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/binarie...1_2009.pdf

So why do we now have additional guidance that further pushes back nudity from 21.00 hours to 23.00 hours without any additional consultations. In breach of their own mandate. I'm sure that when Ofcom issued these new guidelines no one at their sponsors office was consulted.
They have now issued some eight pieces of seperate guidance to the babe channel broadcasters without any additional consultations which totally brings into disrepute their 'generally accepted standards'.
These additional guidelines are now imposing censoreal restrictions on the channels, a duty Ofcom just like the BBFC are not mandated to perform. Plain english ILLEGAL and they need to be brought to task.
A new years resolution for all persons who believe this organisation are human right abusers. More will be posted on how and who we need to contact. Ofcom may read these threads but there is no defence to their actions.

In reply to GPP, and at the risk of repeating myself from another thread, PLEASE lodge a formal Freedom of Information Act 2000 request to see what these "generally accepted standards" are, and who decides on them. It is then a legal requirement for them to reply within two to three weeks. It is easy to do via http://www.whatdotheyknow.com. If the reply is unsatisfactory then we have recourse to the Information Commissioner.

As regards the new guidelines issued without any consultation or notification which, as GPP says, make a mockery of generally accepted anything, PLEASE lobby your MP. Write if you like too to the man whose department is sponsor for Ofcom - Rt Hon. Vince Cable, MP, Business Secretary. Highlight the arrogant and cavalier lack of consultation and that Ofcom is publicly funded and publicly accountable.

If you do it via your MP you will get a reply from Mr Cable himself, rather than a research minion in the department.

We may not achieve anything at all by bombarding the relevant authorities, but on the other hand we sure as hell won't achieve anything by just whinging in forums and doing nothing ourselves.

(19-12-2010 10:20 )beller Wrote:  In reply to GPP, and at the risk of repeating myself from another thread, PLEASE lodge a formal Freedom of Information Act 2000 request to see what these "generally accepted standards" are, and who decides on them. It is then a legal requirement for them to reply within two to three weeks. It is easy to do via http://www.whatdotheyknow.com. If the reply is unsatisfactory then we have recourse to the Information Commissioner.

As regards the new guidelines issued without any consultation or notification which, as GPP says, make a mockery of generally accepted anything, PLEASE lobby your MP. Write if you like too to the man whose department is sponsor for Ofcom - Rt Hon. Vince Cable, MP, Business Secretary. Highlight the arrogant and cavalier lack of consultation and that Ofcom is publicly funded and publicly accountable.

If you do it via your MP you will get a reply from Mr Cable himself, rather than a research minion in the department.MP would you.TIA
We may not achieve anything at all by bombarding the relevant authorities, but on the other hand we sure as hell won't achieve anything by just whinging in forums and doing nothing ourselves.

Thanks for the info mate,
Would you know the MP`s address or office address?