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my review of Beach Break a special show booked like a PPV

match 1 - Tag Team Battle Royal
i am not a fan of battle royals as there is to much going on to follow proper,
it was actually a good match just not to my taste,
it did move a number of stories along
Guevara and MJF are heading for a show down after Guevara was screwed again,
Good Brothers showed up to screw Private Party over before there match on impact that the coms team put over a lot, the most they have talked about impact so far,
Top Flight and The Acclaimed both got to do more than i was expecting ,
Jericho and MJF won

Darby Allin and Sting Address Revolution Street Fight
this was a A+ promo and a lessen in how to do them Sting was perfect, Tazz was perfect , Darby looked cooler than ever,
it also sold the TNT title match next week with the returning Janela
job well done by all,

match 2 - Thunder Rosa vs. Britt Baker
they been building this match for months and it was excellent i relly liked it, to to workes with great chemistry,
bakers best match in aew, Rosa looks like a great babyface i really hope aew can do a deal to use her more, i want to see these two work together lots over the next few months,

match 3 - Hangman Page and Matt Hardy vs. Chaos Project
This was a glorified squash match thats only real point was to sell the story of greedy businessman Matt trying to manipulate Page into joining his empire,
this is interesting and will hopefully lead to Page getting his confidence back and standing up for him self,

The Wedding of Kip Sabian and Penelope Ford
this was a bit shit after all the build up they didnt do a good job,
wrestling weddings are ment to be crazy and this was not sadly, it was all very predictable and the writers where trying to be to clever,
the only highlights where Father James Mitchell hosting it and Ford looking very sexy,
i did like that Miro was wearing the same outfit he did when Roman Reigns broke up his ceremony with Lana in 2015 that was a nice touch i hope people go it,

match 4 - Lumberjack Match: Lance Archer vs. Eddie Kingston
not as good as there first match, i dont think the Lumberjacks made things better,
it would have been better as a street fight, Archer won so now both men can move on , can see Archer heading back to the main event as a babyface not sure where Eddie is going now

main event - Jon Moxley, Rey Fenix and Pac vs. Kenny Omega and The Good Brothers
this was a great main event and saved what had been a very average show,
this match ticked every box it was meant to
Fenix showed hes the hottest young star in the business, check
Pac reminded everyone he is a main eventer competitor, check
Moxley and Omega intensified their rivalry, check
and was topped off by a great surprise in Kenta debuting and shaking wrestling again,

so for a show that was booked as a near PPV it was not great only the womans match on the under card was good
but the main event was excellent and made up for all the dross before it, how often dose that happen everyone remembers the main event and nothing else lol,

(06-02-2021 14:39 )The Goatman Wrote:  Really can you direct me to one please? post me a link to one

i though u watched this weeks show so would have seen the excellent promo he cut after kidnapping Stunt , that was a great promo

(06-02-2021 13:52 )winsaw Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 09:36 )The Goatman Wrote:  Wwe pulled back on managers when they realised they got over more than the wrestlers
Lana and armando estrada are perfect examples

thats really stupid by the wwe then and shows how shit their writers and bookers are then the manager is there to complement and help get the star over, as they do very well in aew, they have probably lost the chance to make stars because of it wwe really do get so much wrong,

Its more the fault of the wrestlers who need managers because they are void of personality
What managers has helped get anyone over in aew ? Ftr are basically in the same position in aew as they was in wwe "midcard"
Lance archer is not a star and never will be they could put the late bobby heenan with him and it wouldnt help
Taz's crew is worthless
And does cody really need arn is he really adding much ?

Managers wasn't meant to get people over they was meant to get heat, most of the time only heels had managers so they could cheat and get the crowd to boo them.
Wwe issue with managers came when they started making them have catchphrases and making them hot women like sunny, sable and lana, side note sunny had more personality than the entire wwe and aew locker room lol

(06-02-2021 14:52 )winsaw Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 14:39 )The Goatman Wrote:  Really can you direct me to one please? post me a link to one

i though u watched this weeks show so would have seen the excellent promo he cut after kidnapping Stunt , that was a great promo

No i just watched the main event i saw there was a wedding and thought fuck that lol

Kidnapping stunt isnt that a felony

(06-02-2021 14:48 )winsaw Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 14:37 )The Goatman Wrote:  a run in by archer who is now a face for some reason

hes been turning face for about 6 weeks now, its not like it just happened, he was going no where as a heel so it makes sense to change him i think, plus there are more heels than faces in aew at the moment so needed to happen

Why did he turn face what caused this ? All i can remember is he was a midcard heel with jake roberts then for some reason attacked pac who is now randomly a face but wrestles like a heel and has been having matches bad matches with flabby kingston

Did a lot of this happen on dark again ?

(06-02-2021 14:49 )winsaw Wrote:  my review of Beach Break a special show booked like a PPV

match 1 - Tag Team Battle Royal
i am not a fan of battle royals as there is to much going on to follow proper,
it was actually a good match just not to my taste,
it did move a number of stories along
Guevara and MJF are heading for a show down after Guevara was screwed again,
Good Brothers showed up to screw Private Party over before there match on impact that the coms team put over a lot, the most they have talked about impact so far,
Top Flight and The Acclaimed both got to do more than i was expecting ,
Jericho and MJF won

Darby Allin and Sting Address Revolution Street Fight
this was a A+ promo and a lessen in how to do them Sting was perfect, Tazz was perfect , Darby looked cooler than ever,
it also sold the TNT title match next week with the returning Janela
job well done by all,

match 2 - Thunder Rosa vs. Britt Baker
they been building this match for months and it was excellent i relly liked it, to to workes with great chemistry,
bakers best match in aew, Rosa looks like a great babyface i really hope aew can do a deal to use her more, i want to see these two work together lots over the next few months,

match 3 - Hangman Page and Matt Hardy vs. Chaos Project
This was a glorified squash match thats only real point was to sell the story of greedy businessman Matt trying to manipulate Page into joining his empire,
this is interesting and will hopefully lead to Page getting his confidence back and standing up for him self,

The Wedding of Kip Sabian and Penelope Ford
this was a bit shit after all the build up they didnt do a good job,
wrestling weddings are ment to be crazy and this was not sadly, it was all very predictable and the writers where trying to be to clever,
the only highlights where Father James Mitchell hosting it and Ford looking very sexy,
i did like that Miro was wearing the same outfit he did when Roman Reigns broke up his ceremony with Lana in 2015 that was a nice touch i hope people go it,

match 4 - Lumberjack Match: Lance Archer vs. Eddie Kingston
not as good as there first match, i dont think the Lumberjacks made things better,
it would have been better as a street fight, Archer won so now both men can move on , can see Archer heading back to the main event as a babyface not sure where Eddie is going now

main event - Jon Moxley, Rey Fenix and Pac vs. Kenny Omega and The Good Brothers
this was a great main event and saved what had been a very average show,
this match ticked every box it was meant to
Fenix showed hes the hottest young star in the business, check
Pac reminded everyone he is a main eventer competitor, check
Moxley and Omega intensified their rivalry, check
and was topped off by a great surprise in Kenta debuting and shaking wrestling again,

so for a show that was booked as a near PPV it was not great only the womans match on the under card was good
but the main event was excellent and made up for all the dross before it, how often dose that happen everyone remembers the main event and nothing else lol,

Was darby in his hot pants and tights again ? No man looks cool in hot pants

(06-02-2021 15:01 )The Goatman Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 14:48 )winsaw Wrote:  

(06-02-2021 14:37 )The Goatman Wrote:  a run in by archer who is now a face for some reason

hes been turning face for about 6 weeks now, its not like it just happened, he was going no where as a heel so it makes sense to change him i think, plus there are more heels than faces in aew at the moment so needed to happen

Why did he turn face what caused this ? All i can remember is he was a midcard heel with jake roberts then for some reason attacked pac who is now randomly a face but wrestles like a heel and has been having matches bad matches with flabby kingston

Did a lot of this happen on dark again ?

They tured him face as he had two runs at the belt as a heel and not got over as a main eventer, they put so much effort into building him up over the summer I think they where disappointed he lost all his heat with the loss , and ended up behind Eddie as the main midcard heel,
Pac went face a year ago when they formed death triangle it's just we didn't see him doing it for most the year due to him being stuck in UK ,
Archers turn was mainly on dark but he had at least two TV segments to show how he was changing, I hope it works as feels a bit like a last chance for him as hes showing again what can make a star in Japan don't always work in usa

I think bringing archer in and having him lose immediately to cody clean was the problem its the same thing that happened with brian cage thats just bad booking

Archer should have went on a 3 to 4 month monster push squashing everyone in his sights then faced moxley but instead they have him lose within the first month, since then he has been having long matches with every tom, dick and harry and doing things he shouldnt be doing like moonsaults and shit. Its the samething with brian cage which is a shame because cage and archer are pretty new to a large percentage of the tv audience but now they are just the same as everyone else

(07-02-2021 21:02 )The Goatman Wrote:  I think bringing archer in and having him lose immediately to cody clean was the problem its the same thing that happened with brian cage thats just bad booking

Archer should have went on a 3 to 4 month monster push squashing everyone in his sights then faced moxley but instead they have him lose within the first month, since then he has been having long matches with every tom, dick and harry and doing things he shouldnt be doing like moonsaults and shit. Its the samething with brian cage which is a shame because cage and archer are pretty new to a large percentage of the tv audience but now they are just the same as everyone else

the big problem Archer had was i agree loosing to soon but he was unlucky in when he started they where short of heels to face cody,after that he did get that big monster push he destroyed the whole dark roster over a couple of months but it didn't work as next time he lost no body cared

i am sure aew only ever saw Cage as a mid carder, he would need to be able to talk for him self to make it as a main eventer,

^^
Kenny omega can't talk and he is world champion... but i agree about cage he is a midcarder he has the look but insists on doing overly choreographed spots which is the problem with 80% of the roster so he is just another guy