The Freeview vs Sky content debate

I think Cellcast are fleecing us; why cant Freeview viewers be treated more equal; aftter all we only want the equivalent to normal BS1 or Party Girls (not porn!!!!!). Why cant they up their game very very slightly? Surely thats not much to ask for? How long do we have to wait? No oil/cream then as on Sky; WHAT A SURPRISE!!!! Come on Cellcast look after your viewers while you still have some!!!

Quote:Why cant they up their game very very slightly?

It will need to be a great deal more than very slightly to match Camilla's last half hour this morning.

One thing's certain. They're not getting any more of my cash until they start delivering the goods and give me something decent (or rather, indecent) to look at while I'm on the phone.

Big Boobies Wrote:Yes please The Watcher I would like to see that clip of Megan as a newsreader as well as I didnt record last nights show. What did you think about the clips of Party People with Toya creaming/oiling Tiffany and particularly AMANDA? I really think that Babestation on Freeview is getting tamer and they Cellcast)need to up their act especially when a few girls have intimated that they cant do certain things because its Freeview. I think this is very unfair as surely the same rules apply to all TV channels whether they are terrestrial or digital unless they are adult and encrypted. I still tjink that despite it being a "new show??!!!! surely the time has come for it to be more like "Normal Babestation". I still feel very upset that oil/cream and shower scenes are not allowed but frequently happen on BS1 BS2 and now PARTY PEOPLE. Surely this is only how Party Girls ended up. Once again us Freeviewers are being short-changed because we are a n easy target.

I was thinking to myself today about the content of the show and thought to myself about two ways us the viewers could get an improvement. For the first one how about when people send in their text messages asking if their will be oil, cream etc, if this gets a negative reply, why don't these viewers simply text back saying thet are switching off, don't they call themselves the best interactive show on tv, the girls say what we ask for we get, reah right, unless its on sky. I'm sure lossing viewers and thus revenue will give the company a kick up the backside. The second may come as a surprise, but why doesn't anybody complain to Ofcom, the complaint being that the show is not the same on different channels. Perhaps i'm being to short-sighted in this, but as a way round the problem, if their are recordings of the PG shows around six months ago, couldn't these be shown to Ofcom and then if they say that these types of show aren't likely to get into any trouble, the current show on Freeview could then change allmost overnight, remember it did before. Please feel free to call me mad and stupid, but i'm just as frustrated as all the rest of you.

matt38 Wrote:The second may come as a surprise, but why doesn't anybody complain to Ofcom, the complaint being that the show is not the same on different channels.

I'm already looking into the possibilities, hence my comment a few posts back:

vila Wrote:Here's an interesting sentence I've just found in an Ofcom document:

People invest in Freeview equipment to access particular free content, and the value of the investment is reduced when that free content is reduced.

Now, suppose we replace 'reduced' with 'censored' . . . . .

Edit: Actually, I don't think I'll bother. If Cellcast don't have the nouse to do whatever's necessary to hang on to Anna they clearly don't have the mental capacity of an amoeba, so I doubt anything will make much impression.

And tonight we're 45 mins into the show and despite a couple of flashes Rachel (another of my favourites) still has her bra on. I give up.

matt38 Wrote:

Big Boobies Wrote:Yes please The Watcher I would like to see that clip of Megan as a newsreader as well as I didnt record last nights show. What did you think about the clips of Party People with Toya creaming/oiling Tiffany and particularly AMANDA? I really think that Babestation on Freeview is getting tamer and they Cellcast)need to up their act especially when a few girls have intimated that they cant do certain things because its Freeview. I think this is very unfair as surely the same rules apply to all TV channels whether they are terrestrial or digital unless they are adult and encrypted. I still tjink that despite it being a "new show??!!!! surely the time has come for it to be more like "Normal Babestation". I still feel very upset that oil/cream and shower scenes are not allowed but frequently happen on BS1 BS2 and now PARTY PEOPLE. Surely this is only how Party Girls ended up. Once again us Freeviewers are being short-changed because we are a n easy target.

I was thinking to myself today about the content of the show and thought to myself about two ways us the viewers could get an improvement. For the first one how about when people send in their text messages asking if their will be oil, cream etc, if this gets a negative reply, why don't these viewers simply text back saying thet are switching off, don't they call themselves the best interactive show on tv, the girls say what we ask for we get, reah right, unless its on sky. I'm sure lossing viewers and thus revenue will give the company a kick up the backside. The second may come as a surprise, but why doesn't anybody complain to Ofcom, the complaint being that the show is not the same on different channels. Perhaps i'm being to short-sighted in this, but as a way round the problem, if their are recordings of the PG shows around six months ago, couldn't these be shown to Ofcom and then if they say that these types of show aren't likely to get into any trouble, the current show on Freeview could then change allmost overnight, remember it did before. Please feel free to call me mad and stupid, but i'm just as frustrated as all the rest of you.

RE. showing PG to Ofcon – bad idea, IMO; given the seemingly arbitrary nature of Ofcon’s decisions, they might just decide that it was ‘unacceptable’, and use it to ‘justify’ sanctions against the broadcaster, perhaps leading to a new round of censorship for babe channels in general. This is Ofcon we’re talking about, a simply appalling organisation - FAR too risky.

As for complaints to Ofcon; from personal experience, Ofcon are not in the least bit interested in complaints about censorship, and I guarantee that the response you receive will be something along the lines of:-

“It is entirely up to the broadcaster to decide upon the content they show, so long as they comply with our broadcast code”

Didn’t mean to ‘shoot you down’; just a friendly piece of advice from a fellow, and equally frustrated viewer – don’t waste your time. Sorry!

matt38 Wrote:

Big Boobies Wrote:Yes please The Watcher I would like to see that clip of Megan as a newsreader as well as I didnt record last nights show. What did you think about the clips of Party People with Toya creaming/oiling Tiffany and particularly AMANDA? I really think that Babestation on Freeview is getting tamer and they Cellcast)need to up their act especially when a few girls have intimated that they cant do certain things because its Freeview. I think this is very unfair as surely the same rules apply to all TV channels whether they are terrestrial or digital unless they are adult and encrypted. I still tjink that despite it being a "new show??!!!! surely the time has come for it to be more like "Normal Babestation". I still feel very upset that oil/cream and shower scenes are not allowed but frequently happen on BS1 BS2 and now PARTY PEOPLE. Surely this is only how Party Girls ended up. Once again us Freeviewers are being short-changed because we are a n easy target.

I was thinking to myself today about the content of the show and thought to myself about two ways us the viewers could get an improvement. For the first one how about when people send in their text messages asking if their will be oil, cream etc, if this gets a negative reply, why don't these viewers simply text back saying thet are switching off, don't they call themselves the best interactive show on tv, the girls say what we ask for we get, reah right, unless its on sky. I'm sure lossing viewers and thus revenue will give the company a kick up the backside.
SNIP

Everyone stopping texting & phoning altogether might be more effective? It also means that you woudn't even have to waste any money.

or would mean they would have no income or revenue at all, resulting in massive loss of profit due to still having to pay all the outgoing costs to broadcast the show anyway and pay all the girls and background staff etc, which in the current economic climate would be disastrous - resulting in the possibility of the show ceasing to exist all together

and before anyone states "that may not be a bad thing" think of the absolute outcry there has been recently at some of the girls leaving the channel....what would happen if they all were no longer working - it's not like they can all go to another channel to find work as not all of them would be needed as the channels already have girls

a little bit of perspective wouldn't go amiss - fine, you might text in and not get your request to happen....it's hardly the largest of catastrophes that could happen to you - likewise, think of the amount of requests the girls get each night....they cannot possibly do them all

Censorship :-( Wrote:It also means that you woudn't even have to waste any money.

if you think it's a waste of money, why are you texting in? surely the wiseness of a 'purchase' is the risk you take everytime you pay for anything - but you have to remember, these are girls who are willingly putting themselves on your screens every night and showing you their tits and ass. They are not performing monkeys who are there to adhere to your every command. As i said earlier - a little bit of perspective would be nice

Censorship :-( Wrote:RE. showing PG to Ofcon – bad idea, IMO; given the seemingly arbitrary nature of Ofcon’s decisions, they might just decide that it was ‘unacceptable’, and use it to ‘justify’ sanctions against the broadcaster, perhaps leading to a new round of censorship for babe channels in general. This is Ofcon we’re talking about, a simply appalling organisation - FAR too risky.

What else can we do? Ofcom are the arbiters of programme content and we have a complaint about programme content. Cellcast are forcing our hand. If they don't want a complaint to be made that might harm others as well as themselves, all they have to do to stop it is start delivering the goods. It's not as if they're being asked for anything they're not prepared to provide, they already provide it - for Sky. All they have to do is give Freeview the same as what they give Sky.

Censorship :-( Wrote:[quote=Censorship :-(]
As for complaints to Ofcon; from personal experience, Ofcon are not in the least bit interested in complaints about censorship, and I guarantee that the response you receive will be something along the lines of:-

“It is entirely up to the broadcaster to decide upon the content they show, so long as they comply with our broadcast code”

Didn’t mean to ‘shoot you down’; just a friendly piece of advice from a fellow, and equally frustrated viewer – don’t waste your time. Sorry!

You're missing the point - read my quote from Ofcom again. One of their responsibilities is to ensure that the Freeview community obtains maximum benefit from the service. Altering the content of any imported satellite programming in a way which is contrary to the expectations of its likely audience is clearly unacceptable under that principle and Ofcom have a duty to prevent it from happening.


Everyone seems to be missing one glaringly obvious point in all this. Several members of this forum are Cellcast personnel and we know for an absolute fact that the people in the studio even monitor the forum while they're on air. They know that most, if not all, of our Freeview members are dissatisfied to the point of outright fury at the injustice which is taking place. They have all the opportunity that anyone could wish for to come on here and explain their position. They have been asked many times to do so. One or two have made half-hearted offers to help. I use the expression 'half-hearted' because whenever a meaningful question is put to them it is ignored. This, of course, means that almost all questions are ignored. Worse still, the only answer I've received - in a PM - was an outright lie. (Question to moderators: am I allowed to publish the contents of that PM to show that I'm telling the truth?) If Cellcast entered into a proper dialogue in this forum it might be possible to avoid the unpleasantness of an official complaint.

Over to you, Cellcast.


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SxciiSooky Wrote:and showing you their tits and ass.

Although very sparingly on Freeview.


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vila Wrote:Several members of this forum are Cellcast personnel and we know for an absolute fact that the people in the studio even monitor the forum while they're on air.

really? does 3 or 4 members really constitute 'several'?

vila Wrote:They know that most, of not all, of our Freeview members are dissatisfied to the point of outright fury at the injustice which is taking place.

again, really? i'm not saying you are right or wrong in this assumption - but it is that, an assumption. where is the evidence? where is the evidence that it is even a lot of freeview viewing members on this forum, never mind 'several' or 'all'? if you were to look at the, in all honesty, small number of people who take part in this thread out of the 11,000+ members of this forum, the number of participants is ridiculously small. so to make a wild and generalised statement like the 1 quoted above is ill advised at best.

likewise, who (and I beg your pardon for this question) appointed you spokesperson for the disgruntled freeview viewers to make a complaint to ofcom? I would suggest that a number of people (perhaps even most, perhaps) would be against this course of action due to the possible negative connotations it could have on the channel as a whole.

vila Wrote:the only answer I've received - in a PM - was an outright lie.

do you work for cellcast? i would hazard that you would have to in order to be able to state that an answer given was a lie - otherwise how can you be sure it was a lie, and not merely just not the answer you wished for?
indeed, have the 'cellcast' employees that are members here even been verified that they are cellcast employees?

vila Wrote:

SxciiSooky Wrote:and showing you their tits and ass.

Although very sparingly on Freeview.

although, pretty much the same amount as on sky nowadays, actually

SxciiSooky Wrote:really? does 3 or 4 members really constitute 'several'?

Yes. Dictionary definitions of several: ‘more than two but less than many’, ’three or more’. I know of at least five.

SxciiSooky Wrote:

vila Wrote:They know that most, of not all, of our Freeview members are dissatisfied to the point of outright fury at the injustice which is taking place.

again, really? i'm not saying you are right or wrong in this assumption - but it is that, an assumption. where is the evidence? where is the evidence that it is even a lot of freeview viewing members on this forum, never mind 'several' or 'all'? if you were to look at the, in all honesty, small number of people who take part in this thread out of the 11,000+ members of this forum, the number of participants is ridiculously small. so to make a wild and generalised statement like the 1 quoted above is ill advised at best.

This is based on the fact that those who do post with regard to the content usually do so to complain about the watered-down nature of Freeview compared with Sky (limited time girl is topless, lack of any kind of erotic movement or activity, lack of interaction between girls, lack of oil/cream etc). I know of no post that actually approves the weakened content. Likewise there are very few posts which disagree with those criticising the weaker content other than those who defend the lack of topless content from the likes of Paige and Toya and I happen to agree with this - quality can come in different forms and the quality delivered by those two is in no way lessened by the lack of naked breasts (although I’m sure most of us would enjoy at least occasional glimpses).

SxciiSooky Wrote:likewise, who (and I beg your pardon for this question) appointed you spokesperson for the disgruntled freeview viewers to make a complaint to ofcom?

Nobody, nor would I ever represent myself as such. If/when I complain to Ofcom it will be as an individual who objects to the fact that Cellcast don’t provide the same quality of service for me on Freeview as they do for their Sky viewers.

SxciiSooky Wrote:

vila Wrote:the only answer I've received - in a PM - was an outright lie.

do you work for cellcast? i would hazard that you would have to in order to be able to state that an answer given was a lie - otherwise how can you be sure it was a lie, and not merely just not the answer you wished for?

I only need the evidence of my own eyes. The statement contained in the message was such an obvious lie, and would be recognised as such by everyone in this forum, that I was astonished that anyone would utter it.

SxciiSooky Wrote:indeed, have the 'cellcast' employees that are members here even been verified that they are cellcast employees?

I trust that the site admin have taken steps to verify this.

SxciiSooky Wrote:

vila Wrote:

SxciiSooky Wrote:and showing you their tits and ass.

Although very sparingly on Freeview.

although, pretty much the same amount as on sky nowadays, actually

Er, no actually, otherwise why would Sky viewers complain about the drop in quality they witness as soon as Freeview starts?

Besides, I trust my own eyes. I normally have TVAlways open on my PC and although I’m rarely at home and able to watch the pre-Freeview period I almost always watch through the 5am Freeview shutdown. The change in behaviour can vary from one girl to another but is nearly always substantial and on occasions is quite astonishing (the only occasions when it hasn’t been very marked were when there appeared to be very little phone activity, including one time when they packed up 5 mins early).