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postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost

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postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost
clicked on postimage this morning to upload last nights pics and was greeted with the below message, looks like 95% of the caps i have posted on here will soon be lost, not a good day at all,

What's happening?

On October 27, 2016, CloudFlare abruptly cut us off from most of their services except DNS for abusing their system. This came as a bit of a surprise, since although we've been using one of their cheapest plans for a long time, we had reached an agreement earlier this month that we would be upgrading our account when the next billing cycle started. A couple of Skype calls later we learned the following:

CloudFlare was very unhappy that the total traffic usage of our project had surpassed a staggering figure of 1.8 petabytes in the last 30 days.
The amount of money we had to pay monthly to make them happy again grew after each Skype call as more people in CF got involved in examining our case: $200 became $1000, which in turn became $12k.
The sales team was adamant that although CloudFlare did not officially have bandwidth limits, our violation of Section 10 of their terms of service could not be remedied by serving less image traffic and more HTML traffic (although, being an image hosting company, we have no idea how we would pull this one off anyway without blatantly gaming the system), and that at the level of petabytes of data, they would never allow that on a $200/month Business plan.
We were officially screwed.

Let us make this absolutely clear: we do not hold a grudge against CloudFlare for refusing to foot our traffic bill any further. We do realize that we are costing them a ton of money, and it is solely our own fault that our current business model is not sustainable. We also recognize that the deal they offered is probably as good as anything we could reasonably expect from other CDN providers. The only thing we disagree with is that instead of publishing estimates of how much traffic customers are actually allowed to consume at each service plan, CloudFlare insists that their bandwidth is unlimited and declines to comment on the actual terms of service.
What should we do now?

The most likely outcome is that Postimage.org will have to shut down, terminating nearly 140 million images embedded into some 450 thousand websites, first and foremost a number of great message boards (although a lot of online auctions, personal galleries and corporate websites will be affected as well).

While we are definitely bothered that the project on which our modest livelihood depends is shutting down, this latter circumstance bothers us much more. We will hopefully find other jobs to pay our bills, but a huge historical layer spanning more than a decade of some of the Internet's most vibrant communities will be obliterated forever. Thus, at this point failure is not an option; we must fight tooth and nail to keep Postimage.org running.
Where's the money?

Historically, advertising revenue has been our main source of income [approximately a 50/50 split between AdSense and content recommendation systems]. While we've recently decided to experiment with header bidding platforms, we have yet to collect a single dollar from these experiments, so we don't really know if this will work.

We are also considering the option of running a crowdfunding effort a la Reddit Gold or a donation system. Our main website is seeing 8 million unique users per month, and if just 0.125% of our userbase sent us $1 every month, that would be enough to cover our traffic bills and stay with CloudFlare.

Finally, there is an option to try a different role in the digital marketing industry, perhaps even become a DMP data source as well as a publisher (our recent measurements indicate that we're serving over 28 million unique daily users over our whole network of 450k websites). However, we have to first answer a couple of important questions such as if this data is actually worth anything, and if such a privacy-impairing tradeoff would be acceptable for our users if that's what it took to keep their images online.

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(This post was last modified: 28-10-2016 10:28 by winsaw.)
28-10-2016 10:27
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RE: postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost
Image hosts are always closing down, even the bigger ones.

The forum has its own image hosts anyway, so it's an avoidable problem.
28-10-2016 13:48
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RE: postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost
^ ...and the moral of the story is ....don't come crying to pandas for sympathy, they're not as cuddly as they look.

(EDIT - I have sympathy for anyone who loses uploads when a host site goes down; it's probably an unending task to replace that many broken links, even when you still have back up of the original content)
(This post was last modified: 29-10-2016 11:51 by M-L-L.)
28-10-2016 19:53
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RE: postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost
Self-centred thread title laugh

They're taking donations to keep the site up. Some of us may want to contribute if you've used that site a lot - I have, it's much more reliable and user-friendly than most host sites.

They need US$12,000, which is achievable for a site with so many users around the world (not just porn fans). It's 10% of the way there already.

Donations page
https://postimage.org/

n.b. I have no affiliation with the site

(edit) Omg it's $12,000 a month, yeah that's not gonna work

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29-10-2016 20:49
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RE: postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost
An update.
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$1700 worth of donations received so far. Thanks to everyone who is contributing; you rock!

[Oct 30 12:00GMT]: Panic mode off. In addition to a steady stream of donations, we have received a couple of very helpful partnership proposals. Also, a solution for graceful degradation for the worst case is under development.

Problems with PayPal; good thing we kept paying for our bandwidth periodically to avoid funds getting frozen. Working on a GoFundMe campaign and on unfreezing our account.

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30-10-2016 14:49
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RE: postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost
Another update:
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V is for Victory

Thanks to your tremendous efforts and generous donations, the crisis has been averted. The victory belongs to you, our users. Your donations bought us enough time to keep our servers humming while we were figuring out what to do. Your technical expertise allowed us to cut some corners and employ clever tricks. Your connections finally allowed us to establish contact with parties that made a long-term solution affordable. Your emails kept us going on extra-long workdays, because we knew that you were counting on us. We hereby wish to thank everybody who extended their help and advice, and would especially like to mention and recommend the following parties:

AdvancedHosters for their stellar tech support and for offering great terms for their CDN service
SG.GS for their technical expertise and generous bandwidth consumption terms
Also, the following parties readily came to our aid, although our needs did not exactly match their expertise:
DaciHost for offering us a powerful dedicated server for free
Aba-Soft for designing a custom private cloud solution to help us handle the uncached load
Greta.io for offering their ingenious peer-2-peer CDN technology
A special thank you goes to every single one of the 159 people who contributed a total of over $1700 of donations via PayPal. This would not be possible without you.

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03-11-2016 13:39
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Is there a problem at the moment as images from darren73 are not appearing.

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04-11-2016 21:54
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RE: postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost
Hmm, yeah, it's weird that darren's aren't showing. My caps have been coming up OK and they're on postimg, albeit linked slightly differently.

Good news about the site being saved.

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05-11-2016 00:26
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RE: postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost
There is a problem with my account if i upload a pic while i'm loggin to the site it doesn't work bur if i upload a pic without logging in it works i have contacted Postimage to get it sorted out hopefully back to normal tomorrow

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05-11-2016 01:07
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RE: postimage.org to close, most of my caps on the forum will be lost
Mine are fine

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05-11-2016 06:59
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