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And who said i was specifically talking about liverpool?

(08-04-2010 09:51 )Tepid water Wrote:  What about the year they met Forest in the first round?

When like all the best cup competitions there was no UEFA biased seeding and it was the luck of the draw.

Of the last 15 CL winners, only Ajax and Porto, have managed to break the dominance of the four big european domestic leagues. Admittedly, the big four leagues dominated in the European Cup but what are the chances of a Feyernoord, Celtic, sorry Celtic fans, Steau Bucharest or Red Star winning the CL again.

I seem to remember that Forest beat Malmo in the final for their first victory. Malmo! When was the last time a Swedish team reached the group stages.

Money and TV ratings. Money and TV ratings.

First Round knockouts.

Real Madrid lost to Bruges 2-0 1976-77.
AC Milan lost to Porto 1-0 1979-80.
Forest, as holders lost to CSKA Sofia 1980-81.
Celtic lost to Juventus 2-1, 1981-82.
Hamburg, as holders, lost to Dinamo Bucharest 1983-84.
Inter lost to Malmo 2-1 1989-90.

(07-04-2010 21:05 )colino Wrote:  My team (Chelsea) well beaten over two legs,

That does depend of course on what 'well beaten' is taken to mean.

Stats over the 2 legs
Chelsea 58% possession, Inter 42%
Chelsea 34 goal attempts, Inter 22.
Chelsea 12 on target, Inter 8.
Chelsea 9 corners, Inter 7.

Jose Mourinho (after the first leg): "We were lucky of course, because Chelsea should have been given a penalty in the first half and even worse Samuel a red card, leaving us with 10 men for the second half. You can call it our lucky break."

Daily Telegraph: "Chelsea outplayed Inter throughout but still lost the last-16 first-leg tie 2-1 in a pulsating match at the San Siro. Chelsea will still be wondering how they lost a match in which they were far superior in all departments."

(08-04-2010 08:46 )Tepid water Wrote:  Nice bit of incipient racism from Fergie at the end.
Typical Germans? I remember his team virtually chasing a ref off the pitch!

He must have had an irony bypass. There were only 4 or 5 Germans on the pitch anyway.

(08-04-2010 10:49 )admin Wrote:  

(07-04-2010 21:05 )colino Wrote:  My team (Chelsea) well beaten over two legs,

That does depend of course on what 'well beaten' is taken to mean.

Stats over the 2 legs
Chelsea 58% possession, Inter 42%
Chelsea 34 goal attempts, Inter 22.
Chelsea 12 on target, Inter 8.
Chelsea 9 corners, Inter 7.

Jose Mourinho (after the first leg): "We were lucky of course, because Chelsea should have been given a penalty in the first half and even worse Samuel a red card, leaving us with 10 men for the second half. You can call it our lucky break."

Daily Telegraph: "Chelsea outplayed Inter throughout but still lost the last-16 first-leg tie 2-1 in a pulsating match at the San Siro. Chelsea will still be wondering how they lost a match in which they were far superior in all departments."

Only a fellow Chelsea fan could dredge up newspaper quotes that claim we were the better team, nobody else in the country believes it!!

All the stats in the world don't prove much either, they set out to stop us playing, (something that the stats can't show) and did that comfortably. I bet Portsmouth if they look hard enough can show stats that they should stay in the Premiership, ain't gonna happen though, is it?

Besides, as far as Chelsea go, the Premiership title will do nicely as consolation....

(08-04-2010 10:49 )admin Wrote:  

(07-04-2010 21:05 )colino Wrote:  My team (Chelsea) well beaten over two legs,

That does depend of course on what 'well beaten' is taken to mean.

Stats over the 2 legs
Chelsea 58% possession, Inter 42%
Chelsea 34 goal attempts, Inter 22.
Chelsea 12 on target, Inter 8.
Chelsea 9 corners, Inter 7.

Jose Mourinho (after the first leg): "We were lucky of course, because Chelsea should have been given a penalty in the first half and even worse Samuel a red card, leaving us with 10 men for the second half. You can call it our lucky break."

Daily Telegraph: "Chelsea outplayed Inter throughout but still lost the last-16 first-leg tie 2-1 in a pulsating match at the San Siro. Chelsea will still be wondering how they lost a match in which they were far superior in all departments."

I personally thought we were the better team in the first leg and were unlucky not to have got at least a draw, but as colino said we were "well beaten" in the second leg and Inter overall deserved to go through, as did Bayern and Barca

What still amazes me about man u fans is there best player is a scouser and yet they still sing anti scouse songs full of hate!

(09-04-2010 04:56 )sonofapaddy Wrote:  What still amazes me about man u fans is there best player is a scouser and yet they still sing anti scouse songs full of hate!

All southerners hate scousers.

(08-04-2010 08:04 )m100 Wrote:  I'm not saying that what he has achieved hasn't been great. However he wasn't starting from scratch, we were under achieving given what we had won in the past, unlike clough who took a team of never-achievers to two european cups. Paisley wasn't starting from scratch either but he took liverpool to the european cup which shankly had never done. Remember that both of these won it when it was a cup competition rather than the group nonesense that we have now - if you had a poor night in the first round chances are you were out whereas now if you have a poor night in the first group game you've got another five to redeem yourselves. The other thing about paisley is he knew when to get out leaving his legend with the liverpool fans intact - ferguson has overstayed and I think should have gone after we beat chelsea in the final two years ago. Ferguson was also given time at the start of his united tenure which you can guess his eventual replacement won't be given.

The CL is a hell of a lot harder now then it was back when Paisley won it. That's already been proven by the fact that no team has retained the European cup since Milan 20 years ago.

If Fergie does go, the only one I see as a worthy replacement is Mourinho.