Bluebird TV - Chat & Discussion

(20-05-2010 23:27 )amandasnumerounofan Wrote:  Just wondering if the ballpark figure for monthly subscriptions have been given yet? £20 a month is reasonable due to the quality of the babes that have been signed up.

GLAMBIRDS.COM (including TV Babes XXX) is pay per view. Buy tickets and watch/download scenes of your favourite girls being naughty: from nude to b/g. Scene prices vary according to content.

BabeChannelBabes.com is £29.99 per month, for which you also get access to TotallyTeasing.com.

BBTV website is free, except for the HARDBLUE live sex show streams, which are £5 per night. Better to do it like than pay a monthly fee and find there's nothing you want to watch that month.

(21-05-2010 15:47 )BLUEBIRD OFFICIAL Wrote:  BBTV website is free, except for the HARDBLUE live sex show streams, which are £5 per night. Better to do it like than pay a monthly fee and find there's nothing you want to watch that month.

If you really want to show that you have your customers best interests at heart then you could offer both options and let them decide which is right for them.

(21-05-2010 16:45 )Dan Volatile Wrote:  

(21-05-2010 15:47 )BLUEBIRD OFFICIAL Wrote:  BBTV website is free, except for the HARDBLUE live sex show streams, which are £5 per night. Better to do it like than pay a monthly fee and find there's nothing you want to watch that month.

If you really want to show that you have your customers best interests at heart then you could offer both options and let them decide which is right for them.

We are. But we haven't decided the Month rate yet, because we haven't decided how many shows a month we'll be doing yet.

Oh TJ !

(04-05-2010 07:55 )BLUEBIRD OFFICIAL Wrote:  

(04-05-2010 07:30 )Hexit Wrote:  i know you aint my biggest fan. but i have 1 genuine question.

will you be willing to contest any fines or sanctions imposed by ofcom in court?.
if so which standard, encrypted, fta or both.
you gotta admit that the state of so called British adult entertainment on tv is pretty patronizing to say the least, and really needs to come into line with the rest of Europe.

For legal reasons, we can't go into details, but Ofcom's powers are limited by the territoriality of the licence holder.

Hey - we had a good argument, cleared the air, and now we move on to have fun at the party

My interpretation of Bluebirds comment about territoriality is posted in the Broadcasting Regulations thread/Ofcom Current Investigations.

The Audiovisual Media Services Directive (2010/13/EU) that came into force on the 5th May 2010 permits a broadcaster who is based (head office) in a member country of the EU and this is also where editorial decisions regarding content for the channel(s) is made to be governed by that countries rules/interpretation of the AVMS Directive. They are then permitted to broadcast content into other member states using any platform for that service.

So the scenario could be Bluebird TV head office based in Holland/Spain/Italy etc and all editorial decisions about content, schedules etc also made at this location. They could then have studio's in the UK and use a media platform (SKY) to carry their broadcasts. The content viewed both encrypted and un-encrypted would not fall under the juristiction of the UK (Ofcom).

Holland would be a good choice as the majority of the country speak english. I read it that you must provide a service within that country as well.

Now here's the interesting bit. If the country where the head office is located permitted R18 material to be shown encrypted then that would be the standard allowed to be shown in the UK encrypted. I am aware that some european countries also allow full nudity under a 16 age banner at certain times of the day and again this would be permitted.

Now Ofcom has a no R18 ban on TV within the UK and it would be down to them to seek a proscription order to ban content if it were offensive or harmful but they would have to prove such effects to Parliament. Extremely unlikely.

Now since 2000 when the BBFC were challenged on harm, offence, taste and decency and lost in the courts they then had to start permiting R18 category movies (subject to guidance concerning consensual sex, racist/hate material etc) to be sold in licensed sex shops.

Taste and decency have since been dropped as criteria for judgement.

The last time a proscription order was issued by Ofcom through the minister was in 2005 for the italian channel Extasi tv for transmitting violent pornography.

Now i don't know where Bluebird will be based but they have the potential to shake up the uk tv industry and have already stated on this forum that they would be showing 18 content on TV and R18 live show.

Now the word is that they will start transmitting in June/July but they have yet to apply to Ofcom for any new or transfer any existing licenses. Food for thought. See my previous post on this thread number 165

The above details are my reading/understanding of the directive so don't base your expectations on them but it's a consideration.


http://www.babeshows.co.uk/showthread.php?tid=20358

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My interpretation of Bluebirds comment about territoriality is posted in the Broadcasting Regulations thread/Ofcom Current Investigations.

The Audiovisual Media Services Directive (2010/13/EU) that came into force on the 5th May 2010 permits a broadcaster who is based (head office) in a member country of the EU and this is also where editorial decisions regarding content for the channel(s) is made to be governed by that countries rules/interpretation of the AVMS Directive. They are then permitted to broadcast content into other member states using any platform for that service.


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AMSD only applies to Video on Demand, not linear broadcast.

(23-05-2010 02:06 )amandasnumerounofan Wrote:  

(23-05-2010 01:04 )BLUEBIRD OFFICIAL Wrote:  Oh TJ !

Lucky Bastard!!!

lucky is an understatement. although i also have had my arm round tommie-jo

Some very good points GPP.

Clearly if they intend to up link from this country OFCOM may have the power to impose sanctions. But as you say time is ticking away and they have to aquire the relevant licenses/transfers.

My thoughts are that even if they up link from the Continent they would have problems using the Sky EPG (the UK Gov/OFCOM) could apply pressure via the back door.

They could of course rent capacity direct from Eurobird/Astra and uplink using a Euro PTT...

Interesting and not long to go now!

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Now i don't know where Bluebird will be based but they have the potential to shake up the uk tv industry and have already stated on this forum that they would be showing 18 content on TV and R18 live show.

Now the word is that they will start transmitting in June/July but they have yet to apply to Ofcom for any new or transfer any existing licenses. Food for thought. See my previous post on this thread number 165

The above details are my reading/understanding of the directive so don't base your expectations on them but it's a consideration.


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Digest this lot (from the EU itself):

Wider coverage (Article 1 (1)(a))

The new Directive covers ALL audiovisual media services - that means traditional television (linear service) and video-on-demand (non-linear services). These services must be directed at the general public and intended to inform, entertain and educate under the editorial responsibility of a media service provider.



Different levels of strictness (“graduated regulation”)

Because users have different degrees of choice and control over on-demand audiovisual media services, only a basic tier of rules applies to them. But the rules on advertising and protecting children are stricter for television broadcasts.



Jurisdiction for satellite broadcasts (Article 2)

When a broadcaster based outside the EU uses a satellite up-link in an EU country, that country will have jurisdiction. Only when there is no up-link in the EU, does the EU country whose satellite capacity is used gain jurisdiction. This reverses the criteria defining jurisdiction under the old rules.



Which country’s rules apply?

As under the old rules, service providers are subject only to the rules applicable in their own country (country of origin principle). This is essential to give them legal certainty and help them develop new cross border business models.



Countries can restrict broadcast of unsuitable content (Article 2 (4)-(6))

Under the new rules, EU countries can restrict the retransmission of unsuitable on-demand audiovisual content - e.g. neo-Nazi propaganda – that may not be banned in its country of origin.



Two-step safeguard for receiving countries (Article 4 (2) – (5))

•if a country objects to the content in a foreign television broadcast which is wholly or mostly directed to it, it can use a consultation procedure (cooperation procedure) to address the country of origin. The latter shall then issue a non-binding request for the broadcaster to comply with the stricter rules of the targeted country.

•if the broadcaster circumvents these national rules, the objecting country can also - with the Commission's prior approval – take binding measures (circumvention procedure).





My interpretation of Bluebirds comment about territoriality is posted in the Broadcasting Regulations thread/Ofcom Current Investigations.

The Audiovisual Media Services Directive (2010/13/EU) that came into force on the 5th May 2010 permits a broadcaster who is based (head office) in a member country of the EU and this is also where editorial decisions regarding content for the channel(s) is made to be governed by that countries rules/interpretation of the AVMS Directive. They are then permitted to broadcast content into other member states using any platform for that service.


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AMSD only applies to Video on Demand, not linear broadcast.
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The other problem with broadcasting R18 material on UK tv is Sky, Ofcom would be putting pressure on Sky to remove it as Sky is a UK based company and it would be their responsibility, the whole system is flawed and needed to be changed, if we ever want to see any changes to our viewing pleasures then, we will need to lose the prude attitude the UK has had for a long time, get out the dark ages as this country is a multi ethnic culture now, it needs to move forward.

Its a lot to ask, maybe one day we will see these changes, but wont be anytime soon.