wolverine vs the hulk film

That is also very stupid that Wolverine doesn't recognize Sabretooth and vice versa in the main X-Men films, I know the amnesia and stuff could explain it but it was never in the comics the way it was in the film. And in the trailer Reynolds is there in all his glory, not made-up at all, Deadpools face has never been seen before he was Deadpool and before it was fucked so that is a massive slap in the face to comic fans again. They can mess with it a bit, e.g. Wolverine is 6'2" and that is fine but stuff like that with Deadpool and the prickish way Phoenix was handled just pisses me off something rotten.

All i have to say about the Sabertooth thing is that the films are an adaptation, not a copy of the comics, so they will change things, mostly to make the films easily accessible to all audiences, not just the comics as well as just to make them a lil different. If you watch any of the films expecting them to match the comics in every detail, you're just setting yourself up for a big disappointment. To be honest, you'd be stupid to do that. but the writers will try and honor the source material as much as possible. Treat it like its a paralell universe. I did that with smallville, then DC go and make it one of the 52 earths.

As for Deadpool, we've only seen some glimpses, how do we know his face isn't messed up for the most part??? How can you slate something when its not even out yet?

If i remember rightly, Deadpools face only got messed up when the healing factor interacted with the cancer, maybe at that point in the film was before they gave him the healing factor from wolverine? he was still a well trained soldier before that. I'll quote from wiki "Wade volunteered for the second Weapon X program, where his body and mind were altered on a genetic level. The genetic manipulation was initially supposed to grant him a superhuman regenerative healing factor (based on the DNA of former Weapon X experiment Wolverine), stopping the progression of his cancer and greatly enhancing his physique. However, the cancer interacted with the genetic process in unanticipated ways; the process (initially) failed, disfiguring him horribly and making him significantly mentally unstable. " Remember, its an Origins movie for wolverine, we don't know how much of Deadpool we will see, they might save Deadpool's origin for his own film, we just don't know yet!!

As for the Phoenix, that was down to the studios, Fox decided they didn't want to wait for Bryan Singer to come back from superman and wanted to rush X3 to come out and compete with Superman Returns, and they merged the 2 stories that were to be X3 and X4 into 1 film, which is why it got so badly messed up. If you read the stories for x3 then x4, as a fan, you'd have loved it.

Yeah it may be Deadpool before he gets his abilities, in fact if it isn't the studio are complete douches because if it just un-masked Ryan Reynolds Deadpool then fuck the film, I don't dislike Reynolds but Deadpool doesn't look like that ever. And what I was initially saying was Deadpool is never seen unmasked before he got his powers so I know 110% that they have already fucked with the mythos, that is how I can slate it already.

I wouldn't consider it stupid to want the films to have some semblance of the book in them, I didn't say the whole story had to match what is in the comics totally, but when a characters backstory is so well written, and they just fuck it off, the studio fuck us true fans over and just makes their job harder basically. If it were up to true fans of the genre, or even just people that cared, then they wouldn't have to make allowances, just look at Watchmen, everything is being included in that book. And Zack Snyder said he had to do it because nobody else would care enough about it to stick so close to the source material.

Well there's supposedly a clip with deadpool masked too, but its so tiny its heard to tell. There has been points where we've seen Wade with a normal face. But you're not gonna get people who're the spitting image of the comic. When it comes down to it, the most important thing is the acting skills and personaility of that actor, and Ryan Reynolds is the closest i've ever seen. He himself is a HUGE fan of Deadpool and has been trying to get a film with Deadpool in for years, he has the passion, which is what you need. If you know your deadpool history, then he was a Merc before his powers after he got kicked out of special forces. He went volunteered for Weapon X which is where he got the healing factor from Wolverine. Now what we don't know is how long Deadpool was at Weapon X before getting that healing factor. He could have still been part of the team for a bit beforehand. His powers didn't make him a Merc, so i don't see where they've fucked with the mythos. We know he doesn't always wear the mask anyway. Ok its mostly when he's sitting about the house, but there was when he was blue, and there was when he was cured temporarily. Depending on how much he's in the movie, we may not see his deformed face, its all dependant on how much of his back story they have time to show. Like I said, they could be saving most of it for his own film.

As I said, its an adaptaion, they won't copy everything from the comics, they will alter stuff. but most the writers will loosely relate to the original stuff. none of the films stick religously to the comics. Look at Iron Man, that was done by a huge fan, but it didn't stick strictly to the original mythos! same with the dark knight, but they were still great comic book films. I don't know for sure, but i bet that there will be bits of Watchmen that deviate slightly. Films don't have as much opportunity to be so closely strictly tied to the original mythos, as comics are regular monthly/weekly whatever mediums, films are 90 minutes to 2+ hours and have to appeal to a much WIDER audience. True fans would understand that. Plus the films then get a whole new group of people interested in the comics in return.

Simply put, Comics are one medium and movies are a seperate one, you're never going to have a movie thats going to 100% match the comic. If you're expecting that, then you're a bit deluded.

You really don't understand what I am saying do you, when did I say that a 100% translation from comic to screen was necessary? If that were the case then the 'From Hell' film would of clocked in at about 30 hours long, but completely fucking with what is there is just complete bollocks when there is no reasoning to it. What you yourself seem too deluded to understand is that it is not as difficult as you seem to think just to appease the fans a bit. All that needed to be thrown into the first X-Men film was Sabretooth saying something like 'It's been a long time Logan' or some shit like that. How hard was that? It would not of messed with the film at all. You really seem to read things out to mean what you want them to mean as opposed to what is typed out. And there were no absolutely huge changes to either the Iron Man film ot The Dark Knight, like if they made it so that Iron Man didn't even know Rhodey, that would be BS, they didn't do anything like that, I am happy.

Also LMAO at telling me Deadpools history, I know the backstory of nearly all of the main Marvel characters, but thanks anyway.

I do, I'm just saying that you're not going to get everything you want in the films from the comics, look at Spiderman, they made his webbing natural, thats not how it was in the comics, there was the initial outroar, but then people loved it. things will change. The way you've talked so far, you sounded like you wouldn't be happy unless it was 100% like if you had your throwaway lines or anything you'd find something else. Plus with alot of the characters, there's multiple variation on the origins, like the mainstream to the ultimate universe, the films are just an extention of the variation. As for the throwaway line from sabertooth, they may have originally planned for that, but it got cut, we don't know! things get cut, little lines here or there. maybe they will explain it in the wolverine origins move? Well there were changes in Iron Man, the Mandarin isn't what we know, its a terrorist group called the 10 rings, I would say thats a much HUGER change! The Dark Knight has Fox knowing outright that Bruce was Batman, whereas in the comics it was only implied he knew. All of the films have various tweaks, so there's never a direct comparison that i can use, but there's enough to point out its along the same lines. Plus compared to the other adaptations, we're gettting TONS of things just for the comics book fans thrown in, alot more than if they'd made these films back in the 90s or whatnot.

Well as for telling you Deadpool's history, you seemed to think that there's no opportunity for what we see in the films and the way you came across was that the healing factor made him who he is, yea it made him a little crazy, but before he got that, he was still a good merc. where we see ryan reynolds as deadpool without a mask could just be a moment undocumented in the comics. Doesn't mean it didn't happen. Until the film comes out and we know the whole lot of it, its a bit absurd to criticise it.

Anyway its all getting off my point. UNTIL WE SEE THE FILM IN ITS ENTIREITY, WE CAN'T CRITICISE!! from one flash of ryan reynolds with his normal face, you assume its been fucked with. You should never assume. Now if we have this discussion after after the film is out and they have messed with it, i will say ok, fair enough, they've fucked with it. But your criticism is based on a flash of an image, its preposterous!

Emmaspuppy Wrote:I probably own more comics than both of you put together, yet your arguing about it all, lol.

Settle down and enjoy the welth of great super hero movies we are being treated too the last few years (and some bloody awful ones too DARE DEVIL, sheesh!)

haha, i was just trying to say to not judge a film by its cover pretty much, its all over the flash of ryan reynolds without a scarred face, we don't know anymore than that.

Its frustrating when you get people doing that! its like all those idiots saying they refuse to watch Dr Who when Matt Smith takes over cos they think he is wrong for the part, we haven't seen him in the role yet.

People need to give things a chance before shooting them down.

the only reason they have reynolds as deadpool in this film is so they can milk the franchise even more. you better bet on a deadpool film being made before too long

Marvel wanted Ryan Reynolds cos they knew he'd be good for the role, Ryan Reynolds has wanted to have a Deadpool movie made for about 3-4 years at least. Thats the reason they have him, if you look at the trend of the Marvel films lately, you can see they've had fans on the writing staff,acting, directing. they were trying to get it right in that medium.

I'm all for a Deadpool movie, from whats been said, one will be made if the Wolverine movie goes down well.

I'm sorry right, but I almost shouted out when I poined at the cinema screen to say "Collosus isn't a f**king American, he's a f**king Russian!"
ha ha, I'd have been ejected from the picture house before the end of X2 if I hadn't restrained myself, lol