Is it time for a mass attack on OFCOM?

(11-01-2011 16:18 )bobek Wrote:  

(11-01-2011 13:52 )nailpouchofmine Wrote:  Do you really believe we in Britain have any Human Rights.

That is not what our politicians think,

We, according to them are just underdogs for them to use as they wish.

You know what, this attitude gets up my nose.

I have several Czech friends and have visited the country a good few times. The stories their Parents & Grandparents have told me about living under Soviet & Nazi rule would make your hair stand on end.

Human rights have absolutely nothing to do with a few throw-away TV channels.

Get a grip mate.

I could go into all the aspects of the human rights bill that our politicians choose to ignore, or the euro rules that they choose to break,even after these rules have been democraticaly voted for.



I am not talking about overseas countries I am talking about Britain in general

(03-10-2010 21:24 )eccles Wrote:  

(03-10-2010 18:43 )Scottishbloke Wrote:  I've said it before that ofcom's job and only job should be to make sure that the customer is treated fairly, for example when sky pulled one their channels off the virgin media epg a couple of years ago ofcom quite rightly go involved and demanded that sky 1 be put back into the virgin media epg as they deemed that the customers were being treated unfairly over financial disputes over the 2 companies, that was fair enough, however as far as censorship go's ofcom has on a number of occasions violated this. A sex line channel should justify its context by doing exactly what it says and not being censored. All box's these days have the capability of blocking any channels that the Parent/Guardian doesn't want their youngsters to see. If I worked for ofcom thats how I would deal with these complaints I would give clear and concise instructions over the phone on how to implement these procedures and also explain to the complainer that under a democratic state all channels and subjects on tv must be tolerated and catered for. If these changes were in place I would imagine that the number of complaints to ofcom would quickly dry up.

No way should the same organisation set the rules, investigate, prosecute, pass sentence and hear appeals, but thats exactly what Ofcom does. Its like Parliament, the Police, Judge, Jury and Appeal Court rolled into one.

Remove Ofcoms right to decide on breech cases.

Remove Ofcoms right to determine penalties.

Remove Ofcoms right to hear appeals.

Just leave them with policy formation and investigation ("Police" but not "Judge & Jury"). Also reform their internal procudures to remove the bias.

Finally raise the threshold for complaints.

Until the above procedures are clearly separated under different management Ofcom isnot compliant with the Human Rights Act.

The sitting on the fence and hitting these threads with short soundbites is over.
Ofcom are currently consulting on changing their enforcement procedures and protocols with regard to broadcasters and the public following complaints. This is mostly driven by the budget cut and staff cuts.
I have not looked at all the impacts but a level of appeal is removed and a breach decision is moved down from a panel to an officer.
I will post a seperate thread with links so everyone can focus on the impacts and respond to these consultations.

(12-01-2011 10:47 )nailpouchofmine Wrote:  

(11-01-2011 16:18 )bobek Wrote:  

(11-01-2011 13:52 )nailpouchofmine Wrote:  Do you really believe we in Britain have any Human Rights.

That is not what our politicians think,

We, according to them are just underdogs for them to use as they wish.

You know what, this attitude gets up my nose.

I have several Czech friends and have visited the country a good few times. The stories their Parents & Grandparents have told me about living under Soviet & Nazi rule would make your hair stand on end.

Human rights have absolutely nothing to do with a few throw-away TV channels.

Get a grip mate.

I could go into all the aspects of the human rights bill that our politicians choose to ignore, or the euro rules that they choose to break,even after these rules have been democraticaly voted for.



I am not talking about overseas countries I am talking about Britain in general

People need to take into consideration that the term 'human rights abuse' doesn't ONLY relate to war crimes and other such atrosities. Look it up. The way Ofcom are restricting our rights Re the babeshows doesn't even bare comparison with some of the stuff that's going on in the world, but, by very definition, it's STILL an abuse of our human rights.

We, as human adults, have the right (laid out by law) to watch material much much stronger than we see on the babeshows. Ofcom are restricting us from this right = human rights abuse.

This is a great thread, with many intelligently thought-out comments and postings. Bobek is correct and wholly entitled to argue that in the greater scheme of things, this OFCOM issue is but a relative triviality. However, it is equally true that our own human rights - even in Britian - are largely constrained by the Government and mass media, who effectively 'tell' us what we can do, say, watch etc.

The other morning I was woken by a story on BBC Radio4, saying how a leading Pakistani female politician had been told to go into hiding for her own personal safety. Her crime? She'd opposed the death penalty in Pakistan for women who blaspheme. Yes, that's right, read it again! And why is her personal safety now in danger? Because the Government in Pakistan were warming to her views, that is, until a mass rally of 50,000 to 60,000 people demonstrated against her views and as a result, the Government has had a change of heart and her life is now in danger.

That story sent me to work in an angry mood, but also made me reflect on how good we've got it in comparison to many parts of the world, where the likes of free speech, western music and television and culture are seen as corruptive forces and banned; where young men are denied any form of viewing of female nudity let alone babe channels, and who are force-fed religion and its darkest misconstruings as they are repressed and otherwise devoid of cultural outlets.

Doesn't that make you feel somewhat less angry at OFCOM when looking at things from a wider perspective?

Having said that, most central European countries have far more liberal laws on drugs, pornography etc than we do, and they seem to have fewer problems as a result. So, yes I DO feel aggrieved at how OFCOM are allowed to decide what is good for me and what isn't. It's just that bad as things may seem, they could be an awful lot worse...

(14-01-2011 14:01 )lindor Wrote:  This is a great thread, with many intelligently thought-out comments and postings. Bobek is correct and wholly entitled to argue that in the greater scheme of things, this OFCOM issue is but a relative triviality. However, it is equally true that our own human rights - even in Britian - are largely constrained by the Government and mass media, who effectively 'tell' us what we can do, say, watch etc.

The other morning I was woken by a story on BBC Radio4, saying how a leading Pakistani female politician had been told to go into hiding for her own personal safety. Her crime? She'd opposed the death penalty in Pakistan for women who blaspheme. Yes, that's right, read it again! And why is her personal safety now in danger? Because the Government in Pakistan were warming to her views, that is, until a mass rally of 50,000 to 60,000 people demonstrated against her views and as a result, the Government has had a change of heart and her life is now in danger.

That story sent me to work in an angry mood, but also made me reflect on how good we've got it in comparison to many parts of the world, where the likes of free speech, western music and television and culture are seen as corruptive forces and banned; where young men are denied any form of viewing of female nudity let alone babe channels, and who are force-fed religion and its darkest misconstruings as they are repressed and otherwise devoid of cultural outlets.

Doesn't that make you feel somewhat less angry at OFCOM when looking at things from a wider perspective?

Having said that, most central European countries have far more liberal laws on drugs, pornography etc than we do, and they seem to have fewer problems as a result. So, yes I DO feel aggrieved at how OFCOM are allowed to decide what is good for me and what isn't. It's just that bad as things may seem, they could be an awful lot worse...

Like I said pal,
I could go on and on about human rights [or the lack of them ]but we in Britain are not a third world country.

We are not a commonist country,

and we are not followers of any little red or any colour book.

We are free people and should have a lot more say in day to day things that happen in this country.

When this is taken away,no matter how small a piece is taken away,when you can not do what is lawful and has been passed by the highest court in the land,then,this is what I base my opinion on and I will stick with it.

This is taking away my freedom of choice and therefor it follows,my human rights.

If the rumour's are to be true it appears that Ofcom have now targeted Sportxxx and ordered them to tone down their shows but nothing is official yet so please don't quote me on this being fact, this is purely speculation at the moment. Whether this is true or not remains to be seen however each and every single channel is vulnerable to feel the wrath from those at Ofcom HQ. Something has to be done but to my knowledge no channel has yet dared challenge Ofcom over their excessive regulating over the Babe Channels. At the moment they are all like sitting ducks and at the moment I don't hold out much hope for the future of any of them. A new strategy is needed here. We all have various ideas from 6 digit pin numbers etc etc but the only way I see a future for the Babe Channels at the moment is to ask SKY for help and insurance of some kind to ensure the long term protection of them because at present SKY does not own any of them so can be revoked or pulled without warning or notice. This is no way to be running a business. Believe me Ofcom at the moment are hell bent on declaring war on them first they started with Bangbabes then they were pursuing Elite for a wee while but have seemed to have lost interest in them instead now targeting Sportxxx at the moment. Ofcom are like Terminators they will not stop or give up until they have ultimately shut them all down or toned them down to such a point where it will be hard to tell whether it's a day show or night one. Do we really want a future scenaria where we have a Thread entitled RIP Babe Channels. Act now while you still have an opportunity and we call this country a Democracy something that is well worth remembering.

Why cant some of the babe channels go encrypted at like 12:00am and leave 1 or 2 free. Like RLC has 3 channels, 1 goes encrypted with harder content and 2 stay free. The encrypted channel is free like normal until a certain time. The pin needed could either be free from the website or charged like BSX with a phone call/text/credit card. If there are no girls wanting to do a harder show then all 3 stay free like normal. You can advertise websites like BS do I think so before it goes encrypted people would know to go to the website and get the free pin. The girl would start clothed like normal and as the calls come in she is just simply allowed to go further. Whats interesting is that in the future the likes of ofcom will probably not exist because TVs will have mobile broadband with internet tv. Internet TV will take over and there will be endless amount of channels accessible through just a tv.

If the channels really thought about it, they could make all of the channels encrypted and make it as little as 1p subscription per month for all of the babe channels put together and then Ofcom wouldn't really have a leg to stand on. That's one way round it but I've allways said that every single SKY and Freeview Box shipped should have the Adult Channels locked out then it puts the onus on the Adults to unblock the channels at their own discretion. This as far as I'm concerned should be a more than adequate measure put in place.

Anyone else feel like boycotting these channels until they take a stand against Ofcon?

Might be a bit unrealistic to expect callers to stop calling, but something needs to be done. Sport and Red Light are barely showing any nudity because of lame complaints, so I don't see why these channels are still rated 18, if we can't even see a fully nude woman. Until these channels start helping each other out, and start to show more, nothing is going to change. I think from now on, all of the channels need to start showing full frontal nudity at the same time, so that no rival channel can complain about another for doing so. They should agree on a night, and on a time for when they will show more, and they should stick by it.

If only the channel producers had the balls to do this, it might work, but I fear they don't, which is why boycotting these channels might be an alternative in the long run. What else is there to do? You have to be 18 to phone in, yet vaginas are evil and to harmful still? There's only so long of just seeing breasts, before it becomes lame and depressing. We want to see a fully nude woman, not just boobies!

Anyone have any other ideas on how else the babe channels can accomplish this, or how boycotting these channels might work, if at all?

Only seeing boobies as you put it is fucking laughable if that's all you're going to get on an Adult Sexline Channel. Just been watching the eurotic tv webstream and although it's still pretty lame, compared to us it's a hell of a lot better seeing as you are allowed to see a naked women on it. We all know that unless the law is changed nothing will change but it'll have to be as part of a government cost saving exercise before we see the end to Ofcom because it's clear for all to see that so long as the money keeps rolling in the Babe Channels just can't be arsed to do anything about it. If they really wanted to take a stand and give us what we really wanted then they would have done it by now because it's not rocket science to work out that they probably could convince or lobby for some kind of change that's why when they do all fold or Ofcom call's time on them I will have very little sympathy for any of them, it'll be a case of I told you so. I'll certainly miss all of the models but as for what the content of the show's have offered, well no. The only way Ofcom will be defeated is with a collective effort but as is clear to see they don't even get on with each other, so no chance of putting them all in a room together to come up with some kind of strategy when the only thing that interests the producers of these show's is making money, they don't give a fuck about what we want to see and neither do Ofcom and that's the bottom line of the matter.